Compound prepositional objects
 

If I want to say ".... with you and your family", does "contigo..." really work?

"Me encantaba pasar tiempo contigo y tu familia." ???

Yes. :)

No puedes decir con ti o con tú. ;)

Thanks! :)

Taking in account your signature laepelba, here you would say "Me encantaba pasar tiempo con vos y tu familia." I think is the only option lefting (creo que es la única opción que queda?)

Some corrections. Not all of Latin America uses el voseo. A mí me encanta vosear, pero son pocos los que lo saben por estos lares. :(

Conmigo
Contigo

¿Solamente a esas palabras se las unen, o hay otras?

Con + ella:confused:
Con + él:confused:

Thanks Rusty. Yes I know, with "here" I was referring to my country and I know that laepelba likes Uruguay, there it is used, and there are a lot of Argentinians living and travelling to Ur. with huge frequency (actually, I'm going there in less than a month), so I think it'll be usefull for her.

It's difficult to learn the "voseo"?
Ya sabés con quién practicar si querés.

El ele no tiene un amigo en usefull :D

No, no es difícil de aprender. Siempre me podés tratar de vos.


@Bob: consigo (used when sí is otherwise used as the prepositional object pronoun)

What in the world are you people talking about!? I thought that vosotros was never used in Latin America? I haven't really been learning it for that reason.

And I specifically do not want to say "you (all)" (in the second person plural), I specifically want to say "with you (singular) and your family". How does "vos" fit into that??

And what in the world is "voseo", I thought that the object pronoun for "vosotros" was "vos" (like "nosotros" and "nos").

What!?

El voseo yo creo que es "vos"

Vosotros - os
(Vosotros) os sentís bienes (sentirse)
You all feel well

Voseo is the use of vos.

Vos is a second person singular pronoun. It varies in usage: in Argentina it's informal, replacing tú, and has its own verb forms. In Uruguay it's used alongside tú and usted, so there are three levels of formality. It's also used without those verb forms in some other countries. In Spain it's rare and formal; I've only heard it once, when a child was trying to get me to do something and addressed me as vos to butter me up.

Para más información: http://buscon.rae.es/dpdI/SrvltGUIBu...seo&origen=RAE

Right, but I've been told that it's not used in Latin America. This is the first time I've heard of it. My best friend is Peruvian, and just this weekend she was telling someone else that "vosotros" is used in Spain, and "ustedes" is used in Latin America..........

I'm still confused. and that page is all in Spanish. I'm going to need to look for this information somewhere in English. It is the FIRST time I've heard that vosotros is both singular and plural. I honestly thought that vosotros was never used in Latin America. My Salvadoran friend told me that it's quite rude to use it, and that people will be very offended.

AAAAAHHHHHH!!!! :thinking::thinking::thinking::thinking::thinking: :thinking:

Vos es diferente que vosotros

Vos es usado en lugares en latinoamericano y no en España , y vosotros es usado en España y no en latinoamericano:)

Espero que te ayude:)

PD.
Vosotros es plural como ustedes
Vos es singular como tú

Nope, sorry Bob - not really helpful. There are certain things that I need to have explained to me in English because I don't know enough Spanish to understand explanations IN Spanish ABOUT Spanish.

If I'm going to Google this to try to read more about it (in English), what search string do I use to Google. "Vos" sounds a lot like the counterpart to "vosotros" to me (like "nos" and "nosotros"...)

Singular. As in

(yo) como
(vos) comés
(él/ella/usted) come
(nosotros) comemos
(ellos/ellas/ustedes) comen

In the DRAE's verb charts it appears next to tú: e.g.

como
comes / comés
come
comemos
coméis
comen


nosotros :: nos as vosotros :: os (note the lack of v)

Try searching for "voseo".

El "vos" es para "tú" y se usa en Argentina, Uruguay, Guatemala, El Salvador, y no estoy seguro en donde más.

En Chile todavía se usa en cierta forma y no es bien mirado.

Wow - this is totally new to me. Is this something that they don't teach in school Spanish in the US? I'm going to go Google it......

I can't cope with this. It's bad enough trying to learn Spanish as spoken in Spain.....:D

Much worse is as spoken in Tenerife (sometimes I don't understand every word a "Canario" friend of mine says). :D

I know! That's exactly what I thought when I heard Australian people talking... :)

The "voseo" isn't to difficult actually, you just use "vos" instead of "tú", and you change the verb like this:

Tú sabes - Vos sabés
Tú comes - Vos comés
Tú entiendes - Vos entendés
Tú piensas - Vos pensás
Tú cantas - Vos cantás
Tú corres - Vos corrés
Tú amas - Vos amás
etc.
I think that's all. The accent goes to the last syllabe and, if the accent in "tú" is in a diphthong(not always), well, then the verb changes, but is very predictable how it changes as you can see in the examples. (I'm saying all this thinking of it in the moment and without have studied this never before, so if you search for a formal tutorial, sure it's a lot simplier and better explained, excuse me)

In Argentina almost all chats, even formal ones, are with "voseo". (and if it's too formal, "usted", but "tú" is rarely used, and here it's sounds very awkward in a normal situtation)

I used voseo all the time in Central America. In addition to the present indicative tense, el voseo that I learned also had a present subjunctive form and an imperative form, both of which differ from the ones used for tú. We didn't use different past or conditional tense forms - these were the same as used for tú. Same with the future tense.

@lou ann: Don't worry about learning el voseo until there's a need. :):)

Vi una película llamada "funny people" y Eric Bana que es australiano y me es difícil entenderle :D

Okay, since I last had a chance to write, I have had a chance to do a little reading on voseo, and I'm not as scared of it as I originally was. I think that it merely startled me that I had missed something so significant.

First of all, thank you to Ooooooooookami for remembering that I love all things Uruguayan! I hope that you think of me when you travel there in the near future ... think of me while you're drinking mate and while you're eating asado. There is a chance that I may be able to travel there again this summer ... it's a slight chance, but I'll take every opportunity I can to spend time in Uruguay! I love it there!! I'll certainly be asking my Uruguayan friends to help me with vos!

I found a good article on Wikipedia (the English site) that gives a comprehensive overview of voseo - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voseo - I'm only about halfway done reading it, but I find it very interesting. I love the etymologies and explanations that it gives.

I also spoke with a Honduran student this afternoon about her use of vos. She had plenty to say about exactly who she would use it with, and exactly what situations it would be appropriate for. Very interesting!

So, given my love of Uruguay and my desire to travel to Argentina someday, I will put voseo on my list of Spanish things to master ... immediately next to the subjunctive (Bob - I ordered that book!) ... because it seems to be an important point.

Thanks to you all for the comments on it. When I have questions on the topic I will post to a new thread. :) I honestly thought that this would be a very short thread! LOL!!

Cheers!!

@Lou Ann: "vos" is "tú" in Argentina, Uruguay and other countries, but it has its own conjugation, which has nothing to do with "vosotros" or the archaic "vos".

Of course ookami, now that he's back, can help you more with practice. :)

¿Vos creés?

:rolleyes:

Y... vos podés ashudar igual. ;)

:lol:

:lol:

:lol::lol::lol:

Ah, sha veo que entendés bien. :D

Creo que entiendo...... :) Porque en Uruguay, no se dice "ayudar" pero "a-zhoo-dahr". Y uds. usaban el voseo.... ¿Sí?

:)

Sí y no.

De ocuparlo suena vó y no vos, and it is very low register.

Vó mé entendí (bad, bad, bad) :)

Sí. :thumbsup:

Nice work, Lou Ann! :applause:

¿Nosotro' lo' chileno' lo ocupamos o ustedes los Mexicanos? :lol::lol::lol:

Nosotro' lo' del foro, que pusimo' ejemplo' del vo' argentino. :D

Sha veo!:D

Woo hoo! I love when I start to understand humor in Spanish. :)

:lol::lol: