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Tyrn April 18, 2021 02:24 AM

Véase
 
Hi,

See; usted, imperative. Is it so? I can't convert it to 2nd person singular, though. Vete means something else :)

AngelicaDeAlquezar April 18, 2021 10:12 PM

"Se" is a difficult particle. It always means a different thing.

I don't understand the grammar book on this, but I'll explain it as I understand:


For me, this construction makes an impersonal imperative, formed with the imperative for "usted" and "se":

- Acátese la orden. -> This order must be obeyed by the reader.
- Véase la página 30. -> Refer to page 3.
- Ábrase aquí. -> Some packages have this label where you're supposed to tear or cut open. :)

wrholt April 18, 2021 10:14 PM

Correct, most of the time if you write or say vete the reader or listener will understand it as "go away".

Most documents whose purpose is to organize and present information are considered to be formal contexts, and only formal imperatives or impersonal constructions are appropriate as instructions.

Tomisimo April 25, 2021 08:38 PM

This might be what I have heard referred to as the impersonal passive voice.


"Los libros fueron colocados en la repisa." (true passive voice)
"Se colocaron los libros en la repisa." (impersonal passive voice)


Véase la página 30 = See page 30 (or "refer to page 30" as Angélica mentioned)


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