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literacola November 19, 2008 05:04 PM

Personal A with con
 
Is the personal a used when forming a sentence with the word ¨con¨

Voy al río con a mi hermano.

o

Voy al río con mi hermano.

thanks

Rusty November 19, 2008 05:30 PM

The personal a does not follow con.

Jessica November 19, 2008 06:03 PM

I have never seen a sentence when a is after con.

Tomisimo November 19, 2008 10:53 PM

Here's the rule:

The preposition a is used before a noun when the noun is both a direct object of a verb and the noun is a person or is personified.

In your example, hermano is not the direct object of a verb, so the rule doesn't apply.

See also Personal a

CrOtALiTo November 19, 2008 11:16 PM

Is the personal a used when forming a sentence with the word ¨con¨

Voy al río con a mi hermano.

o

Voy al río con mi hermano.:good:

You're welcome, I did a bit corrections in your previous post.

literacola November 20, 2008 12:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tomisimo (Post 20044)
Here's the rule:

The preposition a is used before a noun when the noun is both a direct object of a verb and the noun is a person or is personified.

In your example, hermano is not the direct object of a verb, so the rule doesn't apply.

See also Personal a

I think this whole direct object and indirect object business is the most confusing thing I have run into while learning Spanish.

Also, I suppose that when using con, you would never form a sentence where a person (or a personified object) would be the direct object. Am I right to think this?

Él abrazó a ella.
Ella is the direct object because she is receiving the action.

Él compró el coche con ella, o, Él lo compró con ella.

The car is the direct object now.

literacola November 20, 2008 12:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CrOtALiTo (Post 20046)
Is the personal a used when forming a sentence with the word ¨con¨

Voy al río con a mi hermano.

o

Voy al río con mi hermano.:good:

You're welcome, I did a bit corrections in your previous post.

Gracias por tu ayuda, Crotalito.

Tomisimo November 20, 2008 08:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by literacola (Post 20054)
I think this whole direct object and indirect object business is the most confusing thing I have run into while learning Spanish

First of all, direct or indirect objects are always nouns, pronouns or noun phrases.

A direct object is a noun that is acted upon by the verb. Think of this as physically being affected by the verb.

I bought a car. - Compré un coche.
I let the cat go. - Solté al gato.

In these examlpes, the car and the cat were directly affected by the action of the verb. The verb acted directly upon them.

An indirect object is the secondary recipient or beneficiary of the verb's action. When you have an indirect object, you almost always have a direct object too.

I bought my sister a car. - Le compré un coche a mi hermana.
I gave the book to the professor. - Le di el libro al profesor.

In these examples, the direct objects are the car and the book, and the indirect objects are your sister and the prof.

I hope that helps a bit.

Jessica November 20, 2008 01:15 PM

I learned about the personal a too, you know, in the first chapter, Chapter 7. But now I knew that a DOESN'T come after con. I don't know why but it's that why and now you know not to use it after the personal a. ;)


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