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irmamar December 01, 2009 11:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pjt33 (Post 63486)
"envolturaNF de regaloNM" es también "papel de regalo", por lo menos aquí.

¿Como se dice "Christmas Day"? O ¿es que no hay traducción adecuada? No me sorprendería porque parece importar mucho menos en las culturas hispanohablantes que en las anglosajonas.

Día de Navidad o, simplemente, Navidad.

¿No conoces el villancico?

"Esta noche es Nochebuena
y mañana Navidad,
saca la bota María
que me voy a emborrachar.

Ande, ande, ande
la Marimorena,
ande, ande, ande
que es la Nochebuena"

:D

AngelicaDeAlquezar December 01, 2009 12:05 PM

My grandma used to bake fruitcake, always choosing fresh ingredients and it was delicious... but we all grew older and everyone around started avoiding sugar, fat and flour. :D

poli December 01, 2009 12:07 PM

You may want to add aguinaldo to the list

chileno December 01, 2009 12:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Perikles (Post 63539)
Jingle is clearly onomatopoeic, and I would bet with pjt that jingle is an imperative in that annoying song. Having said that, Jingle bells (noun) is just as likely. In this particular case, I'm afraid I don't care much. :rolleyes:

Edit: Wiki says

Music historian James Fuld notes that the "the word jingle in the title and opening phrase is apparently an imperative verb."[3] However, it is commonly taken to mean a certain kind of bell.

So there we are. It is possible that at the time of writing the song, Pierpont meant the verb. On the basis of the expression in the song, the noun 'jingle bell' was invented, or just misunderstood. This is my theory, which is either brilliant, or total crap. :thinking::D

:D But I like your theory... :)

irmamar December 01, 2009 12:12 PM

¿Y el turrón? Do you know what "turrón" is? I don't think there is a word for turrón or for polvorones. ;)

chileno December 01, 2009 12:14 PM

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Originally Posted by poli (Post 63581)
You may want to add aguinaldo to the list

That's a Christmas Bonus.

Nah, just add it to my pocket. :)

*************
Noche buena = Christmas Eve

hermit December 01, 2009 01:06 PM

Fruitcake can last a very long time, especially if it's got enough rum or brandy in it.

It does keep amazingly well, anyway.

laepelba December 01, 2009 01:08 PM

There are much better ways of consuming rum or brandy............ ;):applause::eek::D:dancingman::wicked::whistling: :raisetheroof:

pjt33 December 01, 2009 01:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Rusty (Post 63537)
It's possible that the 'sleigh' in 'sleigh bell' could be an adjective, a verb, or a noun.

I wouldn't hesitate to classify it as an NP := NP NP construction. A sleigh bell is a bell (N) which is attached (or designed to be attached) to a sleigh (N).

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My take on the song "Jingle Bells" is not the same as yours. I hear "Jingle bells (noun), Jingle bells (noun), Jingle (present tense 3rd-person plural verb) all the way." "Oh, what fun it is to ride in a one-horse open sleigh!"
Where by "present tense" you intend to imply also "indicative"? Interesting. I'm definitely resolved to ask a linguist for comment, because it's looking like an interesting question. My current operating theory is the same as Perikles'.

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Originally Posted by irmamar (Post 63559)
¿No conoces el villancico?

No conozco ningún villancico en español salvo algunas palabras de "Noche de paz". Si tuviera niños quizás tendría por que conocerlos, pero no estoy seguro si los niños cantan de emborracharse :D

No hay traducción para "turrón" ni "polvorones". Es que los conceptos no existen. (Además he descubierto que a la mayoría de mi familia no le gusta el turrón. A ver si este año llevo un paquete de polvorones conmigo cuando vaya a pasar la Navidad con ellos).

poli December 01, 2009 02:35 PM

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Originally Posted by hermit (Post 63616)
Fruitcake can last a very long time, especially if it's got enough rum or brandy in it.

It does keep amazingly well, anyway.

And it can be used as a weapon


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