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JPablo May 12, 2010 05:23 PM

A man of all men
 
How would you translate this English expression (he is a man of all men) into Spanish?
The idea I get is that the person you are talking about is an example for all other men, a leader, an individual worth following or learning from. I have seen the expression referring to Paul Newman and other iconic individuals, but then again, there are more "classic" or "Biblic" usages of it referring to Adam, or to Jesus. I have not been able to readily find a definition for the expression. If anyone has a reference or "authoritative" definition, that will be appreciated. I would say that "Rafa Nadal is a man of all men, if we are talking about tennis on clay surface..."
Maybe in Spanish we could say "él es un hombre donde los haya", or "tenista por excelencia, donde los haya" o "tenista con T mayúscula, donde los haya".
¿Qué piensan mis viejos y nuevos amigos de los foros? :)

Rusty May 12, 2010 09:27 PM

The phrase is more common with the definite article - 'the man of all men'.
Others like it:
the teacher of all teachers
the lady of all ladies
the jewel of all jewels

The phrase establishes the subject as the epitome of all the rest. (epitome = exemplification, model, quintessence, typification, embodiment)

You can translate the phrase as el hombre de los hombres or el hombre de todos los hombres. You could also use el hombre de hombres, but that doesn't seem to be as popular.

The last translation above is very much like "el rey de reyes" (the king of kings). This phrase is most often attributed to Jesus Christ, but the other variations are also heard (el rey de los reyes, el rey de todos los reyes).

sosia May 13, 2010 12:54 AM

el prototipo ("es el prototipo de dama educada")
el rey de reyes.
otros:
el típico ejemplo
la referencia habitual


saludos :D

JPablo May 13, 2010 03:39 PM

Thank you very much to both of you, Rusty and Sosia. Your options are very helpful. Got it on "the" as in "THE man"... (I took the usage of 'a man of all men', because that's the way the American person said it in the video I was translating...)
Reading your answers, reminded me too of the word "arquetipo", and also the word "espejo" (a little bit dated, as in el Quixote: "espejo de la Caballería andante".)
Greetings and gratefulness!

ookami May 13, 2010 04:22 PM

Another one, very common to say the same is:
[Él] "Es un hombre como pocos" "(literally: "It's a man as there are few" not sure... it sounds strange?)
or
[Él] "Es un hombre entre hombres" ("It's a man between man" wouldl be literally, I don't know if in English it works)

Rusty May 13, 2010 09:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ookami (Post 82626)
Another one, very common to say the same is:
[Él] "Es un hombre como pocos" "(literally: "It's a man as there are few" not sure... it sounds strange?) There are few like him. A man like that is a rare find. Men like him are far and few between.
or
[Él] "Es un hombre entre hombres" ("It's a man between man" wouldl be literally, I don't know if in English it works) He's a man among men.

Some translation ideas above.

ookami May 14, 2010 01:13 AM

Thanks Rusty :)

JPablo May 15, 2010 01:58 PM

Hey, Ookami, "Es un hombre como pocos" is a very good and idiomatic idea. Thank you and thank you, Rusty.


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