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poli June 30, 2020 03:07 PM

Bad stewardship
 
Using a dictionary, I see there are various terms for stewardshio. Is proveeduria a good term? Mayordomería is another term dictionaries use, but I think this has something to do with butlers:thinking::thinking:

AngelicaDeAlquezar June 30, 2020 04:58 PM

"Mayordomía" is only related to the services butlers provide, but "stewardship" is a broader term, right? So I'm not sure, but maybe "administración". (?)

poli June 30, 2020 08:34 PM

Perhaps administración is the term, but stewardship is beyond management. A steward is like a captain. A good steward is successful at caring management. It's almost maternal or paternal. From what I can see, stewardship has biblical origins, so there is probably a Spanish equivalent.

Rusty June 30, 2020 10:11 PM

You'll find mayordomía used in Lucas 16:2 (Reina-Valera), among other places. This is translated as 'stewardship' in the KJV, but it's translated as 'management' in the NIV.
I also found places where mayordomía is translated as 'stewardship' other than in the KJV, but still in a religious context.

It seems to extend beyond the services of a butler.
The origin of the word mayordomo is Latin, meaning 'mayor o principal de la casa'. That which this person oversees is called la mayordomía. I think the definition given in the RAE, 'cargo y empleo de mayordomo o administrador', defines a charge of administration. That describes the stewardship of the overseer.

pjt33 July 01, 2020 03:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by poli (Post 179359)
Using a dictionary, I see there are various terms for stewardship. ... Mayordomería is another term dictionaries use, but I think this has something to do with butlers

So does stewardship. Butlers and stewards are both servants charged with running their master's affairs, although butler has more connotations of running the house and steward of administrating the land.

If you want to look at the Greek behind New Testament usage, it's οἰκονομία, which is literally butlership (from οἰκος, house, and νόμος, law), although the meaning had broadened to also cover administration of land...

poli July 01, 2020 07:23 AM

That's true, a butler is a steward, but I think that in contemporary English, the meaning has shifted more towards the role of public servant. Do you think that way as well? An example of what I mean is: a world leader exhibits bad stewardship when he or she uses foul language in public and encourages racist behavior.

pjt33 July 02, 2020 07:35 AM

For me, the word "stewardship" does not fit in that example. I think that the core sense of stewardship is about managing a resource for the benefit of others, so it makes sense to talk of politicians stewarding a country's economy, or Brazil's stewardship of the Amazon rainforest. The only resource I can see that a politician who sets a bad example is mismanaging is public trust in politicians, and somehow that doesn't seem to fall within the bounds of my intuitive notion of the word.

AngelicaDeAlquezar July 02, 2020 09:13 PM

So I guess depending on the context, the expression might become words like: gestión, manejo, dirección, gobierno, uso, utilización, empleo...

- El actual problema de la deforestación se debe al mal manejo de los bosques y selvas.
- La mala dirección de la empresa nos llevó a la quiebra.
- El mal gobierno de la ciudad ha causado la falta actual de servicios.
- La mala gestión de los datos privados de las personas tiene muchas consecuencias imprevistas.
- El mal empleo de los recursos del estado no ha permitido el desarrollo que se había prometido.
...

Tyrn July 16, 2020 12:26 PM

En ausencia del rey, Gondor fue gobernado por primera vez por el Mayordomo Mardil, y posteriormente por la línea de los comisarios hasta el regreso del rey Aragorn II.

poli July 16, 2020 09:15 PM

I think that's an archaic use of the word mayordomo which these days almost always refers to butlers.


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