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pjt33 December 05, 2009 01:16 AM

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Originally Posted by laepelba (Post 64009)
This is all very helpful - I have continued to have difficulty with "hay", as many of you have pointed out to me. :)

There is one statement you used here as an example that I don't understand. Will someone please explain to me the statement that I quoted above....? THANKS!

Future perfect tense:

He will have left ...

(Irma, no estoy seguro como acabar la traducción. ¿Significa que habrá salido ya de la oficina (o lo que sea)? No recuerdo haber visto jamás "salir de" + infinitivo).

irmamar December 05, 2009 05:47 AM

"Salir de trabajar" significa "salir del trabajo".

¿A qué hora sales de trabajar? = ¿A qué hora sales del trabajo?
¿A qué hora vas a trabajar? = ¿A qué hora vas al trabajo?

In Spain is more common to say "de/a trabajar".

chileno December 05, 2009 07:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pjt33 (Post 64044)
Future perfect tense:

He will have left ...

(Irma, no estoy seguro como acabar la traducción. ¿Significa que habrá salido ya de la oficina (o lo que sea)? No recuerdo haber visto jamás "salir de" + infinitivo).

will have left the office already...

will have come out of work already...

Is it correct?

Perikles December 05, 2009 08:09 AM

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Originally Posted by chileno (Post 64078)
will have left the office already...

will have come out of work already...

Is it correct?

I understood the future perfect expresses probability, so it could mean

He must have left the office already.
He must have finished work already.:)

AngelicaDeAlquezar December 05, 2009 09:50 AM

I'm with Perikles here. "Habrá salido ya de trabajar" suggests an assumption, unless the context says the contrary.

laepelba December 05, 2009 10:39 AM

So, something like "We want to catch the 6:30 movie. Habrá salido ya de trabajar. Therefore, we should make it on time." ???

So in this case, the "habrá" is part of the participle (paired with salido) and not necessarily part of the "hay" usage?

Perikles December 05, 2009 10:45 AM

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Originally Posted by laepelba (Post 64103)
So, something like "We want to catch the 6:30 movie. Habrá salido ya de trabajar. Therefore, we should make it on time." ???

So in this case, the "habrá" is part of the participle (paired with salido) and not necessarily part of the "hay" usage?

It is just a straighforward use of haber for a future perfect. I don't see what it has to do with hay, although Irmamar said it was, and I wouldn't dare to disagree. :D

irmamar December 05, 2009 11:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Perikles (Post 64105)
It is just a straighforward use of haber for a future perfect. I don't see what it has to do with hay, although Irmamar said it was, and I wouldn't dare to disagree. :D

Of course you must disagree ;)

I was writing about possibilities the verb "haber" has . One of them is as auxiliar. The question that the future perfect is used to make a supposition is another topic ;) . Anyway, it all depends on the contexts, because I could say:

Habrá salido ya de trabajar cuando llegues a casa.

In this case, it's not a supposition.

"Hay" is related to the verb "haber" because it's a form of this verb conjugated. I wanted to make a distinction of the use of this verb, that's all ;)
:)

chileno December 06, 2009 10:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Perikles (Post 64083)
I understood the future perfect expresses probability, so it could mean

He must have left the office already. Debe haber salido de la oficina ya.
He must have finished work already. Debe haber terminado el trabajo ya.:)

Yes?

irmamar December 06, 2009 11:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chileno (Post 64185)
Yes?

Debe de haber salido... (probabilidad) ;) :)


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