Por Siempre y Para Siempre

[Perikles]

Originally Posted by laepelba

Yeah, but the whole point is that there must be a subtle difference or the title/verse of the song wouldn't be así....

You are assuming that those who write lyrics for songs are intent on being profound or clever rather than just stringing words together which sound lyrical. Analysing song lyrics is a lost cause most of the time, trying to find meaning when there isn't any. Anyway, tautology for emphasis is often accepted, for example "for ever and ever".

Not everybody listens to what they say (or write) to make sure it actually makes sense. I've just heard a journalist commenting on the job for the new Prime Minister of the UK, and she said "the task before him will be hard and difficult". We can't get away from such garbage. [/rant]

[CrOtALiTo]

Then I don't understand the word For ever and ever relatively are the same.
Or that has some simplicity in the mix up of the words.

Ever should means Siempre.
And for last for ever should means Por siempre.

Those words are very used in the lyrics songs and well sometimes I get confuse in the truly means of the words.

What can I use?

[AngelicaDeAlquezar]

Both expressions are interchangeable for me, although most people around here prefer to say "para siempre" in daily speech, and leave "por siempre" for more literary contexts.


@Lou Ann: never try to learn what's correct from songs.
In this case, it's only for emphasizing endlessness.

@Perikles: The definitions of "para siempre" and "por siempre" are almost the same, but there is a difference, which seems to be the "por tiempo indefinido" in "para siempre", which isn't as definitive as "por siempre", which seems to be always from now to eternity.

para siempre.
1. loc. adv. Por todo tiempo o por tiempo indefinido. Me voy para siempre

por siempre.

1. loc. adv. Perpetuamente o por tiempo sin fin. Por siempre sea alabado y bendito

[irmamar]

I agree with Angelica. Take a look here.

[Perikles]

Thank you , ladies.

[laepelba]

Originally Posted by irmamar

I agree with Angelica. Take a look here.

I love that link - thanks, Irmamar!!