Barcelona - Spanish?

[Esppiral]

Villa, d'on ets? escrius català força bé.

Gairebè no has fet pas cap falta, se t'enten sense cap problema.

Em fa molta il.lusió veure que gente d'una altre banda es pren la molestia d'apendre català

[JPablo]

És clar que t'entenc, Villa!

Potser escrius el català millor que jo mateix... (que ho tinc una miqueta oblidat...)

@Esppiral, tot i que a California es parla més espanyol que altres llengües, fa molta il.lusió quan et trobas algú que parla català...

(No em sembla que sigui una "molestia" apendre català, al menys et serveix per poguer llegir a en Josep Carner... que per cert fa segles que no he re-llegit...)

[pjt33]

Originally Posted by Villa

Also there is a town on the Italian island of Sardegna that speaks Catalan. This is from the time when Sardegna was controlled by Catalan.

More precisely, it's from the time when the Kingdom of Sardinia was in personal union with the Kingdom of Aragón under the Crown of Aragón. Barcelona was a mere county in a union which included six kingdoms, so it's curious that modern Catalan rhetoric talks of the països catalans.

[JPablo]

Well, I think Wikipedia gives a good explanation about the subject.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pa%C3%AFsos_Catalans

[Villa]

Originally Posted by Esppiral

Villa, d'on ets? escrius català força bé.

Gairebè no has fet pas cap falta, se t'enten sense cap problema.

Em fa molta il.lusió veure que gente d'una altre banda es pren la molestia d'apendre català

Moltes gràcies pel complement, Esppiral. Va ser fàcil per a mi per aprendre català perquè parlo, italià, francès, espanyol i portuguès. Crec Catal ha barrejat molt amb Castellà també. Què et sembla? Molts dialectes de l'italià han barrejat, per exemple.

[pjt33]

Originally Posted by JPablo

Well, I think Wikipedia gives a good explanation about the subject.

Sorry, that was English understatement. What I really meant was that it's rather arrogant to say "They speak our language, so we should govern them", and even more so taking into account that those who say that are invariably promoting Barcelona's supremacy, often arguing on the basis of their own version of history, and completely overlooking that Barcelona was the junior member of the group.

[JPablo]

Mmm... and who are "they"?

I am not sure who was or is promoting Barcelona's supremacy, but what I know is that the swing of power from "Aragón" to "Catalunya" happened before Fernando married Isabel... but not politically, rather economically, because of the mere fact that Barcelona harbor was a trade link to the Mediterranean and the East...

In fact, what you say about the subordinate political role Barcelona was playing, it was obvious, in that they paid their "taxes" to the crown of Aragón, and the packages (if my History teacher was right) were tied with a ribbon... a yellow ribbon with 4 red stripes... the current Catalunya (and Valencia) flag...

But like the preface of Don Quixote goes,

"No te metas en dibu...
Ni en saber cosas aje...
Que en lo que no va ni vie...
Pasar de largo es cordu...

A good essay (or a good book) could be written about language and politics and/or vice versa... "Spanish Castilian" or "Castañol" as you well said, was at one point "la lengua del Imperio" (same thing happened with French... and English too...)

"Languages" can be a very efficient tool for domination... so I advocate for learning them well to have a chance to achieve some kind of freedom...

Otherwise, we can ask your "paisano", Orwell... or re-read 1984...

[poli]

a propósito: Catalano es un apellido común entre italoamericos. El apellido Castellano tambien se oye.

[pjt33]

Originally Posted by JPablo

In fact, what you say about the subordinate political role Barcelona was playing, it was obvious, in that they paid their "taxes" to the crown of Aragón, and the packages (if my History teacher was right) were tied with a ribbon... a yellow ribbon with 4 red stripes... the current Catalunya (and Valencia) flag...

Also the current Aragonés flag...

[JPablo]

Yup, that's right.