Double negatives

[Tomisimo]

I thought this was cute...

A linguistics professor was lecturing to his English class one day.
"In English," he said, "A double negative forms a positive. In some languages, though, such as Spanish, a double negative is still a negative. However, there is no language wherein a double positive can form a negative."

A voice from the back of the room piped up, "Yeah, right."

[poli]

That's really funny. I never thought of it that way.
There are a few exceptions to the double negative law that are not unsaully shown learn in textbooks--at least the ones I've seen. They include the words anymore and yet. These two words are almost always negative, but must accompany another negative word.
(I don't do that anymore. I haven't done that yet). Yet can sometimes but rarely be used without another accompanying negative, but I think the meaning is slightly different (She has been ill, yet she is able to continue to work.)

[María José]

Originally Posted by poli

That's really funny. I never thought of it that way.
There are a few exceptions to the double negative law that are not unsaully shown learn in textbooks--at least the ones I've seen. They include the words anymore and yet. These two words are almost always negative, but must accompany another negative word.
(I don't do that anymore. I haven't done that yet). Yet can sometimes but rarely be used without another accompanying negative, but I think the meaning is slightly different (She has been ill, yet she is able to continue to work.)

Any more is not an exception, Poli.
Both some and any are positive words in themselves, but we associate any and its compounds with the negative because they appear in negative (and interrogative sentences).
Have a look at this:
He isn't here any more.
He is no more. (sorry I chose such a depressing example).

In my opinion yet has neither negative nor positive connotations in the sense explained in David's joke (as far as I know it should not be included in the single/double negative 'scenario'.)
You can use yet in interrogative sentences: Have you finished yet? and as you see there is no other negative word in the example question.
In my example and in the negative sentences you mentioned, yet is an adverb . But in your second sentence: 'She's ill, yet... it is a conjunction.

There must be something in this forum that makes me go into teacher mode. I promise you I hardly ever explain grammar...

[poli]

I try to analyze the word anymore. It appears to be the opposite of lately.
Example: I've been going there lately
I'm not going there anymore....You still don't think this is a double negative? You certainly dont say, "I go there anymore" unless you're from southern Illinois. I'm no grammarian but sometimes it can be puzzling and challenging and not dull.

[María José]

Originally Posted by poli

I try to analyze the word anymore. It appears to be the opposite of lately.
Example: I've been going there lately
I'm not going there anymore....You still don't think this is a double negative? You certainly dont say, "I go there anymore" unless you're from southern Illinois. I'm no grammarian but sometimes it can be puzzling and challenging and not dull.

Sorry to seem stubborn. I'm no grammarian either, but what I wanted to say is that words starting with any (all of them) are positive in themselves.
1. I have some milk AFFIRMATIVE
2. I haven't got any milk NEGATIVE. Only one negative (n't)
3. I have no milk NEGATIVE. Only one negative (no)
4. I ain't got no milk DOUBLE NEGATIVE AND THUS INCORRECT (n't, no)

In the same way:
I'm not going there any more would be an example of number 2.
No more, never more would be examples like the ones in 3.
I am not going there no more is a double negative (4) and grammatically incorrect, though widely used by some.

[poli]

OK
Perhaps it confuses me that the word anymore always accompanies the negative. It sounds wrong when it accompanies a positive

[brute]

Originally Posted by María José

Sorry to seem stubborn. I'm no grammarian either, but what I wanted to say is that words starting with any (all of them) are positive in themselves.
1. I have some milk AFFIRMATIVE
2. I haven't got any milk NEGATIVE. Only one negative (n't)
3. I have no milk NEGATIVE. Only one negative (no)
4. I ain't got no milk DOUBLE NEGATIVE AND THUS INCORRECT (n't, no)

In the same way:
I'm not going there any more would be an example of number 2.
No more, never more would be examples like the ones in 3.
I am not going there no more is a double negative (4) and grammatically incorrect, though widely used by some.

This reminds me of the folk song "The Wild Rover"

No its no, nay, never
No nay never no more
Will I play the wild rover
No never no more

[Jane]

Originally Posted by Tomisimo

I thought this was cute...

A linguistics professor was lecturing to his English class one day.
"In English," he said, "A double negative forms a positive. In some languages, though, such as Spanish, a double negative is still a negative. However, there is no language wherein a double positive can form a negative."

A voice from the back of the room piped up, "Yeah, right."

It sure is very cute, and very funny.

[María José]

Originally Posted by Tomisimo

I thought this was cute...

A linguistics professor was lecturing to his English class one day.
"In English," he said, "A double negative forms a positive. In some languages, though, such as Spanish, a double negative is still a negative. However, there is no language wherein a double positive can form a negative."

A voice from the back of the room piped up, "Yeah, right."

I love it.
You ain't the boss of us for no reason.
Caution:Your English might suffer after reading the sentence above.

[Jessica]

wow. I never knew that..