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Old September 01, 2010, 06:48 AM
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Gerundios vs participio presente

Me gusta tener mas descusiones sobre gerundio y las diferencias entres participio presente. Los ejemmplos por cada puede ser util para nosotros.

Ejemplos:

Estoy escribiendo un poema española = escribiendo se utiliza como verbo.

Mi escribiendo en el español no es bueno = escribiendo se utiliza como gerundio.

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Old September 01, 2010, 07:38 AM
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Easy:
The gerund (which is a verb playing the role of the subjective noun), as we use it in English, is generally substituted with the infinitive in Spanish. (Fishing is my favorite pastime/Pescar es mi pasatiempo predilecto)
The word gerundio in Spanish translates to present progressive in English
(I am studying Spanish/ Estoy estudiando español)
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Old September 01, 2010, 08:17 AM
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I agree with Poli. A "gerundio" can't be used as a noun in Spanish (you could with an "infinitivo", as Poli suggested in his example). Your first sentence is good, but not the second one; in this case the sentence would be: "Mi escritura en español no es buena" (or better: "No escribo muy bien en español", since escritura can be understood as 'handwriting'".
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Old September 01, 2010, 08:58 AM
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Me gusta tener mas descusiones sobre gerundio y las diferencias entres participio presente. Los ejemmplos por cada puede ser util para nosotros.

Ejemplos:

Estoy escribiendo un poema española = escribiendo se utiliza como verbo.

Mi escribiendo en el español no es bueno = escribiendo se utiliza como gerundio.

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What's more. Write that in English, and tell us, especially the last sentence is in gerund?

Adding to what's been said...
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I can't do much on the technical explanations, but more examples on usage may help:


When an activity is being performed at the same time you're doing something else:

· Mi mamá nos regañó porque estábamos comiendo y hablando al mismo tiempo.
My mother scolded us because we were eating and talking at the same time.

· Sólo veo la televisión mientras estoy haciendo ejercicio.
I only watch TV while I'm exercising.

· Juan siempre va hablando por teléfono mientras maneja. Por eso tuvo el accidente.
Juan is always talking on the phone while driving. That's why he had the accident.

· No se puede pensar teniendo prisa.
One cannot think while being in a hurry.


When you're describing an activity you're performing at that very moment:

· Estoy escribiendo algunos ejemplos del uso del gerundio en español.
I'm writing some examples on the use of "gerundio" in Spanish.

· ¿Por qué siempre estás gritando?
Why are you always shouting?

· En la radio están tocando mi canción favorita.
They're playing my favourite song on the radio.

· El médico dice que el bebé está creciendo muy sano.
The doctor says the baby is growing up very healthy.


Some cases in which -ing forms work as a noun are usually expressed by an infinitive in Spanish:

· Are you sure that sleeping three hours every day is normal?
¿Estás segura de que dormir tres horas diarias es normal?

· Taking medicines without a prescription is dangerous.
Tomar medicinas sin receta es peligroso.

· Painting is my favourite hobby.
Pintar es mi hobby favorito.

. Laughing is good for your health.
Reír(se) es bueno para tu salud.

· He was convicted for shooting a woman.
Lo arrestaron por dispararle a una mujer.

· Pedro is not very good at playing guitar.
Pedro no es muy bueno para tocar la guitarra.


When -ing works as an adjective, in Spanish it's not expressed by a "gerundio":

· After a long working day, I usually relax by listening to some music.
Después de un largo día de trabajo, normalmente me relajo escuchando música.

· I took a sleeping pill.
(Me) tomé una pastilla para dormir.

· I bought a new cleaning cloth.
Compré un trapo nuevo para la limpieza.

· This moisturizing shampoo doesn't work.
Este champú humectante no sirve.
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Y no quieran saber lo que soy escribiendo en japonés ¡Una mancha tras otra!

El "participio presente" no existe en español. Los adjetivos y sustantivos terminados en -ante o -ente son vestigios de él:
That's very worrying = Eso es muy preocupante.
El gerundio, cuando es parte de una perífrasis verbal con el verbo estar, expresa simultaneidad o anterioridad en el presente o en el pasado
Iba pasando cuando vio el accidente.
No lo molestes. Está durmiendo una siesta.
El gerundio como verboide tiene varias funciones:
Como adverbio de modo: Salió corriendo. Vinimos caminando.
Cláusulas explicativas: La mujer, sintiéndose vigilada, cerró la ventana.
Anterioridad: Se rompió la pierna esquiando.
Simultaneidad: Saltamos gritando. Gritamos saltando.
Para abreviar o matizar frases subordinadas: Sabiendo lo que tú sabes, deberías ganar más. (Cuando se sabe lo que tú ...)
Con función ilativa: Y cortó la cinta, dando por inaugurada la nueva escuela.
Valga como resumen (Espero).
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What's more. Write that in English, and tell us, especially the last sentence is in gerund?

Adding to what's been said...
Ok, here is what I meant in English:

I am writing poems. = "writing" is a verb because it tells what action (verb) I am doing.

My writing in Spanish is not good. = "writing" is used as a noun because in this instance "writing" is modified by possessive adjective "my" and there is no action (verb) involved. I'm merely describing how I write. May be "escribiendo" is never used in Spanish as a noun but it is ok to use "writing" as a noun in english.

Gracias por sus clarificaciones.
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IWhen -ing works as an adjective, in Spanish it's not expressed by a "gerundio":

· After a long working day, I usually relax by listening to some music.
Después de un largo día de trabajo, normalmente me relajo escuchando música.
This is confusing. I think escuchando is an adjective here.

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El "participio presente" no existe en español.
From a linguistic point of view, you may be technically correct, but this is extraordinarily confusing when you compare

estoy comiendo with I am eating

This comiendo is a gerundio, while the eating is a present participle, and their functions are identical. In my book, it makes far more sense to identify this gerundio effectively as present participle, but simply with a different name.

In the above, eating is an adjective. An English gerund is a noun, and according to my dictionary, so is gerundio. I don't see how that can work with estoy, because surely the gerundio is working here as an adjective.
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This is confusing. I think escuchando is an adjective here.
Me relajo de este modo. Me relajo escuchando música --->it looks a 'frase adverbial' to me
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From a linguistic point of view, you may be technically correct, but this is extraordinarily confusing when you compare

estoy comiendo with I am eating

This comiendo is a gerundio, while the eating is a present participle, and their functions are identical. In my book, it makes far more sense to identify this gerundio effectively as present participle, but simply with a different name.

In the above, eating is an adjective. An English gerund is a noun, and according to my dictionary, so is gerundio. I don't see how that can work with estoy, because surely the gerundio is working here as an adjective.
Very interesting. I only learnt the form -ing as a "sustantivo verbal" and didn't pay much attention to it.

So gerundio and gerund seem to be another pair of false friends. Latin gerundium as a gerundive of carrying on and becoming two different things is beyond my knowledge.

Gerundio a noun? No beyond being el gerundio in my knowledge.

I don't gather the part of eating being an adjective.
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Ok, here is what I meant in English:

I am writing poems. = "writing" is a verb because it tells what action (verb) I am doing.

My writing in Spanish is not good. = "writing" is used as a noun because in this instance "writing" is modified by possessive adjective "my" and there is no action (verb) involved. I'm merely describing how I write. May be "escribiendo" is never used in Spanish as a noun but it is ok to use "writing" as a noun in english.

Gracias por sus clarificaciones.
My writing in Spanish is not good. In this case you cannot expect it to be a termination "ando/endo" like "escribiendo". In this case is escritura.

The termination "ando/endo is used to describe actions that are or were occurring right now or while something was happening at the same time.

Like in English it is also in Spanish.

I am writing - Yo estoy escribiendo
I was writing - Yo estaba/estuve escribiendo.

I know very little grammar in English or Spanish, so this is my way to explain what others do with grammatical terminology.
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