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Old May 12, 2011, 08:58 AM
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Is this the subjunctive?

"Cualquier cosa que necesites, acá estamos"

Why is "necesitar" in the subjunctive?
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Old May 12, 2011, 09:47 AM
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Because "que necesites" is 100% an adjective and nothing specific is borne in mind while saying it (let's avoid the awful theories about the needed thing being unknown to the speaker). Indicative appears when there's a specific thing and "la cosa que necesitas" becomes a portmanteau for that specific thing. In the last case "que necesitas" is also an "adjective", but in the same way "of América" is an "adjective" to specify, thus identify, "the United States"
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"Cualquier cosa que necesites, acá estamos"

Why is "necesitar" in the subjunctive?
You could argue that it is also subjunctive in English: "Anything you may need" being something undefined.
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Old May 12, 2011, 02:10 PM
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You could argue that it is also subjunctive in English: "Anything you may need" being something undefined.
Wouldn't be in the subjunctive if I said "Anything you need"?
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Old May 12, 2011, 02:31 PM
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Wouldn't be in the subjunctive if I said "Anything you need"?
Ah well, the subjunctive is sometimes invisible. I still think an explicit subjunctive would be better.
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Yo siempre lo pienso como:

anything you need = lo que necesites/e/eis/en
anything you may need = lo que pudieras/a/ais/an (llegar a) necesitar

aunque tengo entendido que "may" es más vacilante en inglés británico que en inglés americano, y yo lo estoy pensando "a la británica".

¿Qué opinan?
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anything you may need = lo que pudieras/a/ais/an (llegar a) necesitar
O: anything you may need =lo que puedas necesitar.


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Ah well, the subjunctive is sometimes invisible. I still think an explicit subjunctive would be better.
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O: anything you may need =lo que puedas necesitar.


I was thinking of this one too...

So, in my example the subjunctive is kind of concealed...?
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You could argue that it is also subjunctive in English: "Anything you may need" being something undefined.
Let me see if you all agree:

Anything you may need = Cualquier cosa que puedas necesitar

Anything you might need = Cualquier cosa que pudieras necesitar


Yes?

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chileno - So, in my example the subjunctive is kind of concealed...?
You mean in English? it's so concealed that most native speakers don't realize they're using it.
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You mean in English? it's so concealed that most native speakers don't realize they're using it
That's for sure.
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