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Old August 03, 2010, 10:00 AM
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Is "it is alleged" correct in this sentence?

Se supone que los Neandertales vivían en grupos aislados.
It is alleged that the Neanderthals used to live in isolated groups.

Maybe "The Neanderthal are alleged to live..." ?

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Old August 03, 2010, 10:30 AM
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I suppose (!!!) that you could write the sentence either way. But I don't know that you would typically see that usage for the word "alleged". I would say "assumed" in that case (wording it either way that you have structured the sentence).
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Old August 03, 2010, 10:33 AM
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Old August 03, 2010, 11:26 AM
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Is "it is alleged" correct in this sentence?

Se supone que los Neandertales vivían en grupos aislados.
It is alleged that the Neanderthals used to live in isolated groups.

Maybe "The Neanderthal are alleged to live..." ?

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Irma - I don't think allege is the correct verb. I would use it is assumed, it is suggested, or it is claimed.

The context would determine which of these.

Nobody really knows anything about Neanderthals, and it is assumed that ....

Professor Arbuthnort Funtingdon has just written a paper about Neanderthals, in which it is claimed that... / it is suggested that...

Others may disagree, but allege is normally used where something bad is going on:

The lady complained that the man knocked her off her bicycle on purpose, and she alleged that he interfered with her clothing.

It was alleged that the politician took millions of euros public money and spent it on new suits for himself and black stockings for his girlfriends.
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Irma - I don't think allege is the correct verb. I would use it is assumed, it is suggested, or it is claimed.

The context would determine which of these.

Nobody really knows anything about Neanderthals, and it is assumed that ....

Professor Arbuthnort Funtingdon has just written a paper about Neanderthals, in which it is claimed that... / it is suggested that...

Others may disagree, but allege is normally used where something bad is going on:

The lady complained that the man knocked her off her bicycle on purpose, and she alleged that he interfered with her clothing.

It was alleged that the politician took millions of euros public money and spent it on new suits for himself and black stockings for his girlfriends.
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I don't think "allege" is wrong here, but "claim" is probably more common. Personally I often translate "se supone" as "supposedly".
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Yet, "allegedly" is rightfully translated as "supuestamente, según se dice"
she allegedly visited him that morning = supuestamente or según se dice lo habría visitado esa mañana.
they have been disqualified for allegedly violating the rules = los han descalificado por una supuesta violación del reglamento.
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Yet, "allegedly" is rightfully translated as "supuestamente, según se dice"
she allegedly visited him that morning = supuestamente or según se dice lo habría visitado esa mañana.
they have been disqualified for allegedly violating the rules = los han descalificado por una supuesta violación del reglamento.
Yeah...................... but the sense is different. When scientists get together and mostly agree on something, you can't say so definitely, but you can say "assume" which gives a high level of supposition.

Whereas if you say "alleged" in regards to someone saying that they did something, there is a tad bit of doubt introduced. It's almost the opposite from "assumed", which mostly eliminates doubt....

Does that make sense?
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Yup! I think that clarifies the big "nuance" of difference on its usage and actual meaning...

Yes, I assume so... no, I cannot allege ignorance now.
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Old August 04, 2010, 02:05 AM
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I looked "se supone" up in an online dictionary and the answer was "it is alleged", that's why I asked here, because I wasn't sure of this option.

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