Mismo ... propia

[laepelba]

I've been following Bob's questions about "tu" and "tuyo" ... "my" vs. "mine". I have been contemplating the following: "mismo/a" and "propio/a". I believe that they are related (somewhat) to Bob's questions. Are "mismo" and "propio" like "(my)self" and "own"?

Some practice sentences:

Lo hice yo mismo/a.
Escribí una nota para mí mismo/a.
Ese libro es mío. (Does this one change with gender?)
Esa es mi propio/a libro.

Tú lo hiciste tú mismo/a.
Tú escribiste una nota para tu mismo/a.
Ese libro es tuyo. (Again, does it change with gender?)
Esa es tu propio/a libro.

Lo hizo ella misma.
Ella escribió una nota a su misma. ("su"?)
Ese libro es la suya.
Ese libro es el suyo.
Esa es su propio/a libro.

Lo hicimos nosotros mismos.
Escribimos una nota a nosotros mismos.
Ese libro es el nuestro.
Esa es nos propio libro.

Lo hicieron ellos mismos.
Escribieron una nota a sí mismos.
Ese libro es lo suyo. (Or is it "Ese libro es los suyos." ??)
Esa es su propio libro. (I mean to say here that "This is their book", third person plural. How could I accentuate the difference between third person singular and plural in this case?)

(In the examples above, I tried to create the Spanish versions of the following English sentences:
I/you/she/he/we/they did this (my)self.
I wrote a note to myself. (etc.)
That book is mine.
That is my own book.)

Do I have the basic idea?

[chileno]

Originally Posted by laepelba

I've been following Bob's questions about "tu" and "tuyo" ... "my" vs. "mine". I have been contemplating the following: "mismo/a" and "propio/a". I believe that they are related (somewhat) to Bob's questions. Are "mismo" and "propio" like "(my)self" and "own"?

Some practice sentences:

(In the examples above, I tried to create the Spanish versions of the following English sentences:
I/you/she/he/we/they did this (my)self.
I wrote a note to myself. (etc.)
That book is mine.
That is my own book.)

Do I have the basic idea?

Yes you have more than the basic idea.

I will make a table that I always use with my students and it seems to help... it helped me!

Now I have to check how to make that table and populate here at Tomisimo.

I have not been able to record my voice on my notebook and I am not sure why not, as it sports a built in mic and when I use the "sound recorder" it seems to be working. At the moment to replay it, WMP opens it and it seems to go to the motions of reproducing but no sound comes out. In spite that I hear any sound or movie that I play on this machine...

So bear with me, I'll get back at you.

[laepelba]

Thanks, Chileno - I look forward to seeing your table! And the recording, when you have time. Maybe I ought to make a recording and have some people here critique my accent.......

[chileno]

Originally Posted by laepelba

Thanks, Chileno - I look forward to seeing your table! And the recording, when you have time. Maybe I ought to make a recording and have some people here critique my accent.......

Wait! It is difficult to be told by a native how to pronounce a word (especially the vowels,for hispaniscs ) At least, that has been my experience. It is better that you try to listen and "imitate" the best you can. (while recording yourself)

At first it is a struggle and shocking to hear yourself in your language, let alone in another language, but one gets accustomed.

[laepelba]

Well, I just discovered that I'm pronouncing all "e"'s wrong.... Kind of disappointing, given that my students from Mexico keep telling me that my accent is "good".....

[chileno]

Originally Posted by laepelba

Well, I just discovered that I'm pronouncing all "e"'s wrong.... Kind of disappointing, given that my students from Mexico keep telling me that my accent is "good".....

Do what I am telling you. Remember that everybody will tell you that you speak "good Spanish"...

It happened to me with English, until I realized it wasn't so...

I know it is a drag, but it is up to you, not the other people.

[laepelba]

Originally Posted by chileno

Do what I am telling you. Remember that everybody will tell you that you speak "good Spanish"...

It happened to me with English, until I realized it wasn't so...

I know it is a drag, but it is up to you, not the other people.

It's not that they tell me that I speak "good Spanish" - I have learned not to trust that. It's that when I ask them specifically about my accent, they say that it is "good". In fact, when I ask my Peruvian friend (who is a highly educated adult), she says that the only thing I need to work on is that my consonants are too harsh. But we've had THAT conversation, too. I understand that there will be regional variations (significant ones) in pronunciations. But I don't want to be completely off of everyone's radar.....

[chileno]

Originally Posted by laepelba

It's not that they tell me that I speak "good Spanish" - I have learned not to trust that. It's that when I ask them specifically about my accent, they say that it is "good". In fact, when I ask my Peruvian friend (who is a highly educated adult), she says that the only thing I need to work on is that my consonants are too harsh. But we've had THAT conversation, too. I understand that there will be regional variations (significant ones) in pronunciations. But I don't want to be completely off of everyone's radar.....

You will do fine, and if you do what I am telling you, you will be able to pick on yourself.

Anyway, here is the table... let's see how it came out and if you or anybody has questions... although I hope it does not become questionable.

I hope this table will help you as much as it helped me. Keep in mind that I do not know/recall much of my grammar so the names that I have used might be off. It does not really matter because this is designed to speak to your mind directly.

The purpose of this table is to pluck the correct word in the sentences provided after the table. J

If you have questions just ask me.

Pronouns	Pronombres	Possesives I	Posesivos I	Possesives II	Posesivos II	XXXXXX	X1X1X1
I	Yo	My	Mi	Mine	Mío	Me	Mí
You	Tú	Your	Tu	Yours	Tuyo	You	Tí
He	Él	His	Su	His	Suyo	Him	Él
She	Ella	Her	Su	Hers	Suyo	Her	Ella
We	Nosotros	Our	Nuestro	Ours	Nuestro	Us	Nosotros
You	Ustedes	Your	Su	Yours	Suyo	You	Ustedes
They	Ellos	Their	Su	Theirs	Suyo	Them	Ellos

This are phrases to help you understand the table better.

Possessives I	Possesives II	XXXXXXX
This is ___ book	This book is ____	This book is for _____
Este es ___ libro	Este libro es ___	Este libro es para ___

[laepelba]

Extremely helpful, Hernán! Thank you SO much! When I return to DC, I shall print this out as a reference.

One quick question. When do mi/ti become mí/tí (con acentos)?

[chileno]

Originally Posted by laepelba

Extremely helpful, Hernán! Thank you SO much! When I return to DC, I shall print this out as a reference.

One quick question. When do mi/ti become mí/tí (con acentos)?

You know, I have asked people who know Spanish grammar and I have been told both, they do not have accent and that they do.

So I opted to not accent them out of laziness more than anything else.

I'll check the RAE and see for an answer.

EDIT: I revised the table and included the tildes (acentos) where they should be. :-)