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@Perikles:
There is no contradiction. If you don't have a specific deadline, you have the rest of today and tomorrow's 24 hours to get the work done. When the mason says "la pared va a estar para mañana", it means he will be working on it today, and may finish it tomorrow, before 6pm, which is the hour their working day ends. When you say in a classroom: "Para mañana, lean el capítulo 3", it's assumed pupils have to read it before tomorrow's class. If you have an important appointment for submitting a job, "para mañana" means it has to be done before that appointment.
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Otro ejemplo para los estudiantes nuevos:
"Te veo mañana." - I'll see you tomorrow. "¿Mañana por la mañana?" - Tomorrow morning? "Si, por la mañana." - Yes, in the morning.
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I'm still confused, but thanks anyway. |
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Pues creo que "by tomorrow" quiere decir "antes de que empiece mañana" por defecto, pero que el significado depende del contexto. Por ejemplo
She's just an old windbag, she'll have forgotten by tomorrow => Cuando se levanta mañana ya habrá olvidado lo que sea. It will be ready by tomorrow => Puedes venir mañana cuando quieras para llevarlo. Pero If I send it first class, will this letter reach London by tomorrow morning? => Si llegará mañana por la mañana está bien, pero si no tendré que buscar otra manera de enviarla. Parte (¿gran parte?) de la ambigüedad es porque "mañana" a menudo no connota ni 00:00-23:59 del día que viene ni desde cuando se levante el día que viene hasta cuando se acueste sino algún evento o tiempo implícito. En el ejemplo de Angélica "Para mañana, lean el capítulo 3" ("Read chapter 3 for/by tomorrow"), "mañana" refiere a "la clase que tendremos mañana". A veces hay que hacer explícito el tiempo para que tú y tu interlocutor no lleguéis a opiniones distintas del tiempo implícito. Entonces, Perikles, quizás deberías decir al albañil, "¿Estará lista para que entre mañana por la mañana?" |
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But there is some context that is necessary here, too:
- To my students: "Your online test needs to be done by tomorrow." (My students know me, and know the expectations, and if they have to have something finished by a certain day, it means that they have to have it done prior to the beginning of class, whatever time during the day that may be.) - A colleague to her students: "Your online test needs to be done by tomorrow." (Her students know her, and know her expectations, and they know that when she wants a particular assignment completed, it has to be by the end of the school day, about 2:30pm.) - Your example sentence: "The old windbag will have forgotten about it by tomorrow." (Yes, I would expect that to mean that when she wakes up in the morning, she'll have forgotten about whatever it is...) ????
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which is not how I would understand it. (and in Tenerife it means in three weeks time anyway) |
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Ha Ha! I read somewhere once that mañana means not today. This is certainly true.
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I bet you want to know exactly at what time tomorrow will my letter be there. Does it make it any clearer? As to your comment about Tenerife. In Chile you have to tell people the time you want them to arrive at least 2 hours prior of what actually is. |
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As for building the wall, it is clear that para mañana needs further info, like a time of day, for it to be unambiguous. |
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