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An idiom is an expression whose meaning is not readily apparent based on the individual words in the expression. This forum is dedicated to discussing idioms and other sayings.


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Old July 03, 2008, 09:45 AM
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Pero bubbler sólo se usa en WI, no en todo el norte del país...

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Gracias por arrojar luz sobre dónde se dice bubbler. Es porque no conozco Wisconsin que no lo he oido. ¿Habrá otros estados por ahí en los cuales usarían lo mismo?
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El el área metropolitana de Nueva York ne se usa bubbler
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Pero bubbler sólo se usa en WI, no en todo el norte del país...

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No se usa bubbler in Washington, Oregon & California.
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The terms refran, dicho, modismo, idiom, saying etc all have some overlap, and at the same time have some different nuances. Here's my opinion:

1. To me the most general terms are frase hecha and dicho which generally mean set phrase or saying. These terms can be applied to any word/phrase/sentence that is known by many people

Example: Sewing machine (not machine for sewing, machine to sew with)

2. The next level for me is refrán, proverbio or dicho (saying, proverb, maxim, adage etc.) These are short, memorable sentences that describe an idea that many people believe to be true, they are a big part of folk culture.

Example: Early to bed early to rise, makes a man healthy wealth and wise.

3. Now on to idioms (modismo, giro idiomático, idiotismo). Specifically, these are words or phrases whose meaning cannot be deduced from the literal meaning of its component words.

Example: Knock yourself out! (Literally, this would mean hit yourself so that you lose consciousness, but really means go ahead and do something as much as you want.)
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He escuchado la palabra "bubbler" en Michigan.....

Gracias a todos por tratar de explicar la diferencia. Creo que entiendo un poquito más lo del dicho -vs- refrán -vs- modismo........

Pero no crean, aún estoy un poquitito confundida pero ya no tanto.

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I think there is a lot of overlap between the terms and they are not mutually exclusive either.
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Thanks David!

For a moment I thought I was being overly "stupid"....

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Now I'm as confused as Elaina. I always thought dicho meant refrán...
I agree with you, dicho, refrán and proverbio mean the same.
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Old July 08, 2008, 12:52 PM
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Ya sé que el DRAE dice otra cosa, pero, por ejemplo, del Gran diccionario de sinónimos de Fernando Corripio:

Dicho: concepto, máxima, refrán, sentencia, proverbio, aforismo, fórmula, adagio, apotegma, precepto / chiste, ocurrencia, chanza, broma, agudeza.

No creo que deba tomarse el DRAE, ni ningún otro diccionario, como precepto, sobre todo con palabras de uso tan común (otra cosa son los tecnicismos, cultismos, etc). En este caso, el DRAE no refleja el uso más habitual.
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Me encanta cuando hablas sucio.......

"Gran diccionario de sinónimos de Fernando Corripio"

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