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Old September 03, 2012, 02:21 PM
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Les contesto or los contesto?

I am struggling trying to find an answer to this question......so if anyone on here could answer it would be appreciated.



Cuando entro la clase mis amigos y el profesor me saludan. Yo les contesto y me preparing para al clase.


Why does this sentence use an indirect object pronoun( les) why doesn't it use ( Los)


It's not saying " I greet to them" it is saying "I greet them"
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Old September 03, 2012, 02:41 PM
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As I understand, contestar works in the same was as decir. It needs the indirect object pronoun because you are saying 'something' to them not saying 'them'.

Likewise you are answering them 'with something', although in English we just saying answering them. The Spanish version allows you to express that 'something' is said/answered 'to someone'.

(nb saludar is to greet - so les saludo = I greet them, contestar is to answer)

I'm not sure if I have explained that well but it might help if you think of the indirect object pronoun showing that the verb is not acting on the person you're speaking to instead it's acting on the words said.

Les contesto: To them I answer (with words).

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Old September 03, 2012, 03:47 PM
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Sorry about the screw up on the meaning of the verbs......just got them mixed up. Anyways......so are there any other verbs that do the same kind of thing that ones like decir and contestar do?





Btw......it seems like you could do the same thing with verbs like escuchar. Like if your were to say.......no la escuches. It seems like if you followed your line of reasoning that you could say, no le escuches ( although I know that would be incorrect) If you think about it though.....you are listening to the words that she is saying....not her.
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Old September 03, 2012, 09:42 PM
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Good point - and your comment seems totally logical to me. I'm no grammarian but if what I understand from the link below is right it seems that sometimes escuchar can take a indirect object but only when you clearly refer to what the person said or the information that you heard (this being the direct complement). But when there's no direct complement mentioned (ie what they said isn't mentioned) the person themselves become what you listen to or hear and for that reason they are the direct object.

See what RAE says here http://lema.rae.es/dpd/?key=escuchar

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Les contesto - les conteso A ellos. (Indirect Object)
Los contesto - contesto esos cuestionarios (Direct Object)

¿A QUIÉN contesto? - Les contesto a ellos y a ellas.
¿QUÉ contesto? - Los puntos que se me cuestionan...

¿Comprendes?
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Nice one JP, gracias.
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Old September 05, 2012, 08:11 PM
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De nada, ¡un placer contestarles!
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Old September 06, 2012, 04:23 PM
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And what about escuchar? It seems that sometimes it is used with the indirect object pronoun but more usually not. Would you be able to illustrate that too please?

p.e. - ¿funciona?

Le escuché ayer cuando él dijo que no iría.

I heard him yesterday when he said that he wouldn't go.

o necesita ser 'lo'? o funcionan los dos? dependiente si refiere a él o a lo que él dijo.

Lo escuché ayer cuando dijo .....
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Here's something from the DPD that may help:

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Es un verbo transitivo y, cuando el complemento directo es lo que se escucha, puede llevar, además, un complemento indirecto de persona: «Se sentaba a su lado, y le escuchaba el relato de los episodios del día» (Mujica Escarabajo [Arg. 1982]). Cuando no existe complemento directo de cosa, el de persona pasa a desempeñar esta función: «Los demás han tratado de prevenirlo, pero usted no los escucha» (Sophia Arte [EE. UU. 1996]); «Hasta cuando Ángela [...] le reprochaba rabiosamente su estupidez y sus borracheras, él la escuchaba sonriente» (Gasulla Culminación [Arg. 1975]). Si escuchar se utiliza como verbo de percepción, esto es, como sinónimo de oír (→ 1), se comporta igual que este a la hora de seleccionar las formas de los pronombres átonos de tercera persona cuando va seguido de un infinitivo (→ leísmo, 4c).

4c) Cuando los «verbos de percepción» ver y oír se construyen con un complemento de persona y una oración de infinitivo en función de complemento predicativo, el complemento de persona es directo: «Lo vimos subirse a un taxi» (Marías Corazón [Esp. 1992]); «Nadie la oyó gritar» (Santiago Sueño [P. Rico 1996]); «La vi besarlo» (Rossi María [C. Rica 1985]). No obstante, cuando el infinitivo es un verbo transitivo que lleva a su vez un complemento directo, no es raro usar los pronombres de dativo le, les para representar el complemento de persona: «Yo también le oí decir eso» (Rulfo Páramo [Méx. 1955-80]); «Una vez le vi servir una ensalada» (Puig Beso [Arg. 1976]). En estos casos, el complemento de persona presenta rasgos de complemento indirecto, como su conversión en se ante el pronombre que representa el complemento directo del infinitivo (→ se, 1a): Vi a Pedro guardar el informe > Se lo vi guardar; Oí a María cantar una canción > Se la oí cantar. Sin embargo, cuando el complemento directo del infinitivo es una persona, el complemento de persona del verbo principal no admite ser representado por se: Vi a Pedro abrazar a su padre > *Se lo vi abrazar; Oí a María insultar a su vecina > *Se la oí insultar.
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Bueno, iba yo a echar mano del DPD, como ha hecho Rusty... así que ahí queda eso... (lo de Rusty, claro)

¿Lo has entendido? (Lo que dice Rusty, que cita al DPD.)
¿Le has escuchado cuando te lo ha explicado él? (Le has escuchado a él, cuando te lo ha dicho, [en el caso hipotético que te lo hubiera leído en voz alta...)

En tus ejemplos concretos, yo aplicaría la misma "gramática parda" que mencionaba yo en mi otra respuesta.

Le escuché ayer cuando él dijo que no iría. [Le escuché A ÉL...]

o necesita ser 'lo'? o funcionan los dos? (Creo que en algunas partes de Latino América, el "lo" funciona, pero mi percepción aquí, cuando dices:
Lo escuché ayer cuando dijo...
es que "escuché" ¿QUÉ? Lo que dijo, no A ÉL.

Así es como yo lo veo...

El que tenga oídos para oír, que lo oiga. (Lo que dice)
El que tenga "entendederas" para entenderle, que le entienda. (A él.)

Y con eso y un bizcocho... hasta mañana a las ocho.
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