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Old June 26, 2009, 03:05 PM
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Se podría usarlo con cualquiera nombre (person/place/thing)

The house's window
Bob's winning lottery ticket
The Earth's oceans

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Yes, it helps me and I understand it, but it surprises me a lot.
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Old June 26, 2009, 03:27 PM
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Yes, it helps me and I understand it, but it surprises me a lot.
¿Cómo te dices en español, "the house's window"?

¿La ventana de la casa?

Creo que "posesión + de + dueño/poseedor" = "owner/possessor + 's + possession

No olvides que cuando el nombre del poseedor tiene un "s" a la fin en inglés solamente se añade, " ' "

Chris' shoes
Chris's shoes

Sí me equivocaba lo siento
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Old June 27, 2009, 01:30 AM
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¿Cómo te dices en español, "the house's window"?

¿La ventana de la casa?

Creo que "posesión + de + dueño/poseedor" = "owner/possessor + 's + possession

No olvides que cuando el nombre del poseedor tiene un "s" a la fin en inglés solamente se añade, " ' "

Chris' shoes
Chris's shoes

Sí me equivocaba lo siento
Yes, we say "la ventana de la casa".

I knew about "s' " when the word ended with "s". But I thought you couldn't say "house's window", but the window of the house.
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Old June 27, 2009, 10:09 AM
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No olvides que cuando el nombre del poseedor tiene un "s" al fin en inglés solamente se añade, " ' "

Chris' shoes
Chris's shoes
Actually, both constructs are correct. I learned, and prefer, the first style you mentioned above, but have since discovered that both styles are acceptable.

The only rule that exists is, don't mix the two styles in the same document. It's OK to use one style in one document and the other style in another document, so long as someone with a strict sense of style (and a red marker ) doesn't see both documents!


On a related note, some people like to throw the apostrophe (which is used to show possession) on the end of a family name:
I'd like you to meet the Robinson's.
I'd like you to meet the Robinsons. (Family Name: Robinson)
They're trying to keep up with the Joneses. (Family Name: Jones)

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Actually, both constructs are correct. I learned, and prefer, the first style you mentioned above, but have since discovered that both styles are acceptable.

The only rule that exists is, don't mix the two styles in the same document. It's OK to use one style in one document and the other style in another document, so long as someone with a strict sense of style (and a red marker ) doesn't see both documents!


On a related note, some people like to throw the apostrophe (which is used to show possession) on the end of a family name:
I'd like you to meet the Robinson's.
I'd like you to meet the Robinsons. (Family Name: Robinson)
They're trying to keep up with the Joneses. (Family Name: Jones)
In the latter case shows the plural and not the possessive. However, would it be ok to use any of the possesive forms?

The Jones's home.
or
The Jones' home
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The Jones's home.
or
The Jones' home
This question is a bit hard to answer because two different style guides conflict. The Associated Press Stylebook says proper names that end in an 's' need only an apostrophe to show possession. The Chicago Manual of Style, on the other hand, states just the opposite. Exceptions are made for names like Jesus and Moses.

In the case in question, where a family (not an individual) owns a home, the proper name must first be rendered in the plural and then the apostrophe is added. Whether another 's' is added after the apostrophe depends on which style manual you're using.

I also wanted to point out how these names are pronounced. Again, there is a conflict between the style guides.

Jones (singular - pronounced /dʒoʊnz/)
Joneses (plural - pronounced /dʒoʊnzɪz/)
Jones' (singular genitive - pronounced /dʒoʊnz/)
Jones's (singular genitive - pronounced /dʒoʊnzɪz/)
Joneses' or Joneses's (plural genitive - pronounced /dʒoʊnzɪz/)

As an aside, the 'es' plural ending is required for proper names that end in 'ch', 's', 'x' and 'z' sounds.
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This question is a bit hard to answer because two different style guides conflict. The Associated Press Stylebook says proper names that end in an 's' need only an apostrophe to show possession. The Chicago Manual of Style, on the other hand, states just the opposite. Exceptions are made for names like Jesus and Moses.

In the case in question, where a family (not an individual) owns a home, the proper name must first be rendered in the plural and then the apostrophe is added. Whether another 's' is added after the apostrophe depends on which style manual you're using.

I also wanted to point out how these names are pronounced. Again, there is a conflict between the style guides.

Jones (singular - pronounced /dʒoʊnz/)
Joneses (plural - pronounced /dʒoʊnzɪz/)
Jones' (singular genitive - pronounced /dʒoʊnz/)
Jones's (singular genitive - pronounced /dʒoʊnzɪz/)
Joneses' or Joneses's (plural genitive - pronounced /dʒoʊnzɪz/)

As an aside, the 'es' plural ending is required for proper names that end in 'ch', 's', 'x' and 'z' sounds.
Good explanation, Rusty. Thanks
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Old June 28, 2009, 02:39 PM
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Good explanation, Rusty. Thanks
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Please explain the stuff you wrote at the top.
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Please explain the stuff you wrote at the top.
Oh, I didn't see it! What's that? I didn't wrote it

Maybe my computer is crazy sometimes, sorry
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