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It's not easy for a spaniard to find the proper words while trying to explain a thing. Like Elaina says, we use entonations and movements to speak, and emoticons are a little simple. A fast reading of Alfonso's text makes a classit/racist text, but a normal reading (difficult in intenet times) is so simple as: In Spanish we don't have diferent registers for different classes. We have perhspas some different words (slang, or cultivate) but it's very rare to hear something "so different" (like Ebonics for an american or the mentionen substandards, for example) that make us make a disgusting face. Hearing a bad sentence make us thing he doesn't know enough spanish, but never "he has another cultural level" There are racism here, but I will never speak to a gipsy with special words, entonation or modism. The language is the same. And that makes posible to speak with Mexican or Argentinian people directly (after adjusting our ears ) While trying to explain, Alfonso must change to spanish, where he is able to choose the perfect word/verb who explains his point of view. It cost me time to write in english, so my responses are usually not very long. But so I help others and learn myself. But it will never be a native level (I'm lazy ) so don't try to translate my writing to "that" level. We are not so good to express us with the perfect english word/verb. Saludos PD: I was scared that this thread would go "katastroph" but at the end was a nice one. Last edited by sosia; July 29, 2008 at 03:17 PM. |
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Yes, Sosia, I accept your opinion, but perhaps still you need explain more your view point about of the thread here spoke.
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Let´s see if he concurs. And like you said, it´s been an interesting read.
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Es mucho más fácil encontrar dureza en las opiniones ajenas, especialmente cuando estamos en desacuerdo, que en las propias. But I will not get offended at all because of it. Thanks a lot for your corrections.
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Me alegro realmente de que haya una respuesta positiva a mis preguntas. Eso es todo. Quería escuchar un sí o un no después de leer la respuesta de Crotalito: Quote:
Además, la afirmación de Crotalito contiene un prejuicio clasista (¿resentimiento? No lo sé, pero prejuicio), pues generaliza una situación sobre una clase supuestamente culta. En sus formas quizá no resulta harsh. Pero es realmente harsh en el contenido. Parece que estamos llegando a un nivel de hipocresía preocupante, pues sólo nos preocupa la manera de decir las cosas, no lo que realmente decimos. En mi opinión, he dicho las cosas con rigidez, tal y como merece el asunto, pues soy inflexible con los prejuicios clasistas. Pero, desde luego, no he dicho nada a lo que se le pueda reprochar la mínima falta de caridad. (supongo que con un emoticono queda todo menos harsh).
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Es decir, si hago una pregunta absolutamente inocente de racismo o clasismo y me contestas con un discurso anti-racista, podría entender que me estás llamando racista. Realmente, no sé a qué viene toda esta perorata. Nuevamente, te dejas cegar por tus prejuicios y, por falta de atención al leer, por simplificación, me atribuyes ideas que no tengo, sino que extraes de estereotipos que te resultan muy cómodos para juzgar a los demás. Da la impresión de que o estoy contigo o estoy contra ti. Pues no, ni lo uno ni lo otro. Dime si estoy equivocado: por lo que escribes, entiendo que en México a la gente que utiliza un registro bajo al hablar se le llama despectivamente naco. ¿Estoy en lo cierto?
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I'm almost completely agreed with you (see below). I know we both know Spanish culture well, so it's easy to agree when describing the facts. Of course, in Spain there exists clasism, racism (and, in my opinion, this is increasing) and a lot of problems. But it's really bizarre to think that a person could laugh or make mockery at other person's way of talking, in front of behind his face. We all speak in a different way... I said sub-standard Spanish doesn't exist, but I should add that standard Spanish doesn't exist either. I think when you say A fast reading of Alfonso's text makes a classit/racist text, but a normal reading (difficult in intenet times) is so simple as... you're pointing exactly to the main question... Don't allow stereotypes influence your comprehension of the world. Where is racism in my text? Only in some reader's mind. That's why I said it's not my fault. Reading is an intellectual effort... Don't give up trying to understand! On the other hand, here is my little disagreement: why did you think this thread would go catastrophic? I know this is a complex and a conflictive question but, has all the threads got to be white threads where to say how funny and nice we are? Don't be afraid to disagree! You are right, I should change to Spanish when I want to make myself clear...
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But, please, what do you mean by white thread...?
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(I'm going right now to the library, Jane... I hope you'll have a very good day).
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