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Impersonal passive
IS this correct?
1.People noticed that the players did not stand the heat. The players were noticed not to have stood the heat. ??? 2. The parents had believed that the teacher knew all the answers. the teacher had been believed to have known all the answers.?? 3. My parents announced that the children will not go to the museum the next week the children were announced not to go to the museum the following week.?? 4. Susan has said that she has always wanted to be a dentist. She has been said to have always wanted to be a dentist.?? |
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I hope this helps. It can be correctly assumed that the use of it in the ways I displayed is at least one way of presenting the very commonly used passive in English. You should know that your attempts would not be clearly understood.
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None of them are correct. I agree with all of poli's suggestions.
If you have an English sentence that has an active voice verb, one converts that verb to passive voice by taking either the direct object or the indirect object of the active voice verb and making that object the subject/patient of the passive voice verb. Looking at your sentences: Quote:
Last edited by wrholt; March 27, 2019 at 10:27 PM. |
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the options that Poli gave I know they are correct, the problem is that the active voice can be paraphrased in two ways the one that Poli gave and the one I gave, I know it ´s the les common one and they don´t sound very common that´s whyI wanted to verify if they were correct or they needed any changes. Poli´s option I already had it.
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Grammarly () says all four are fine. I'd take poli's and Bill's advice before believing Grammarly.
Sentences like "the players were noticed not to have stood the heat" strain my brain, as I don't understand what has to do the perfective aspect there (I even suspect it adds information not available in the original wording). I'd rather supposed the passive voice is enough to carry the information about time, with something like "The players were noticed not standing the heat". Besides "my parents announced that the children will not go to the museum the next week" and "the children were announced not to go to the museum the following week" don't seem to mean the same.
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Perhaps Grammarly includes archival English in how it determines whether something is grammatically correct. Alec's reference," the players were noticed not to have endured the heat" sounds like 19th century British novel English to me which, in the scope of things, wasn't that long ago. Most people would understand this, but to me it sounds rather bookish.
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However, based on some of the sources I have found, my comments in my previous post (http://forums.tomisimo.org/showpost....38&postcount=3) describe what some sources call the "impersonal passive", while those same sources use the name "personal passive" to describe sentences similar to the ones that you asked about. I think that I will need to research this topic further. Most of the examples that I have found show active voice sentences with structures much like your active voice exampes: a main clause that contains a subordinate clause that functions as the direct object of the verb of the main clause. One of the sources provides a list of verbs that are frequenly used as the active-voice verb in the main clause that becomes the passive voice verb in the type of sentences that you aske about. That list of verbs is: agree / allege / announce / assume / believe / calculate / claim / consider / declare / discover / estimate / expect / find / known / mention / propose / recommend / rumour / show / suppose / suggest / understand A different source states: Quote:
So, looking at your original question again, and comparing them to the different sets of examples that I have seen, I have to concede that they seem to be valid. Quote:
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