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Old April 23, 2008, 02:32 PM
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Her name is Love. Mine is misery.
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Her name is Love. Mine is misery.
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Old May 09, 2008, 12:39 AM
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Just a nuance

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In Spanish you can say:
  • Me gusta tanto el pan como la leche.
  • Fuimos tanto a bailar como a cantar.
... meaning that you do both things, or that you don't exclude either of them. It's a way to emphasise:
  • Me gusta el pan y la leche.
  • Fuimos a bailar y a cantar.
Would you say the following sentences in English?
  • I like bread as well as milk.
  • We went to dance as well as to sing
And, the second part of the question is when do you use as much + (...) + as?

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Remember also that, in English, the gerund, or -ing form of the verb, is far more versatile than it's Spanish counterpart, and often used where you'd use the infinitive in Spanish. I'd contend that, in colloquial American English, one would be very likely to phrase it in one of two ways:

- I like singing and dancing.
- I like singing as much as dancing

Come to think of it, you'd never hear anyone use the infinitive in an "as much as" statement. Hence, this would sound stilted:

- I like to sing as much as to dance.

If using the infinitive with "and," the second "to" would definitely be dropped, so an option would be:

- I like to sing and dance.

In writing, the statement would most likely go something like:

- I like singing as much as I do dancing.

One more note: in British English, I've heard the first "as" replaced with "so" in negative versions of the sentence. So you'd have:

- I don't like singing so much as dancing.

To round it out, let me give you the way an American speaker would most likely say or write the negative:

- I don't like singing as much as dancing.

Hope that helps.

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Old May 09, 2008, 01:16 AM
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To continue

Now that I've thought about the wolves and mice, I have to say that the following simple statements seem a little unnatural to me:

- You can see as many wolves as mice.
- You see as many wolves as mice.

Not to say that I haven't said things in that manner, but I was being poetic, or fancy, or something other than natural. I think it would be more natural to repeat the initial verb in the second half of the sentence. I think you would say:

- You can see as many wolves as you can mice

I'm reminded of the need in Spanish to sometimes repeat "de" before subsequent nouns. Were the verb "to be able" (can) not used, one would fall back on "to do":

- You see as many wolves as you do mice.

Strangely, repeating a form of the verb "to see" would not work as well as "to do." And after writing all this, I'm reminded of just how complicated languages really are. Good luck.
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After further thought

The wolves and mice brought me back around to singing and dancing. I think the only way to get away with using the infinitive in an "as much as" statement is to repeat the initial verb, as with the wolves and mice:

- I like to sing as much as I like to dance.

versus

- I like to sing as much as dance

which sounds a little off.
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Her name is Love. Mine is misery.
LOL.
The question then should be `Who is the unlucky lady?´
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It was me the only unlucky one. But this was at least a week ago. Now I've already gotten over it. Life's beautiful!
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It was me the only unlucky one.I was the unlucky one. But this was at least a week ago. Now I've already gone got/ gotten over it. Life's beautiful!
That´s rather fast.
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