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Old January 22, 2010, 08:03 PM
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When the DSW is a verb

When the Daily Spanish Word is a verb, would it be possible to include some brief information about its conjugation? For example, if it conjugates without any irregularities or stem/spelling changes (I don't know all of the official classifications), then it would be nice to have a note like "conjugates like hablar/comer/vivir". If there is something that changes or is irregular in the conjugations, is there some way to make a brief note about such changes.

For example, for the recent DSW "permanecer", there could have been a note to the effect of: "In the first person present indicative and present subjunctive, the "c" changes to "zc". Example: permanezco."

Would that be too much work?
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Old January 22, 2010, 08:59 PM
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This is a good idea, Lou Ann.

By the way, the present subjunctive is quite often patterned after the present indicative 1st person singular (just change the ending and account for spelling changes to accomodate the new ending). So, for all but the very irregular verbs, there wouldn't be a need to 'spell' out the present subjunctive if you know this handy tip.
Another handy tip is that the imperfect subjunctive is formed from the preterite indicative 3rd person plural.

Adding to your suggestion, then, you would need to see at least two present indicative forms (1st person singular and 3rd person plural - the former can be used as a basis for the present subjunctive and the latter indicates whether it is a stem-changing verb) and the preterite indicative 3rd person plural (forms the basis for the imperfect subjunctive, and helps you form the preterite). To conjugate into the compound forms, you would need to know the past participle and the gerundio (present participle).

Example 1

permanecer : permanecido; permaneciendo

 Present Indicative    
 1st Person Singular  3rd Person Plural 
 permanezco  permanecen 
 Preterite Indicative    
   3rd Person Plural 
   permanecieron 

From the table, we can see that the verb isn't stem changing, since the present indicative 3rd person plural has the same vowel in its stressed syllable as the infinitive.
We can also see that the preterite will not have an irregular stem, since the preterite indicative 3rd person plural has a regular stem (permanec-).

To form the present subjunctive:
permanezco -> permanezca

To form the imperfect subjunctive:
permanecieron -> permaneciera (also permaneciese)

To form the compound verb (the 'perfect' tense):
haber permanecido

To form the present progressive:
estar permaneciendo


Example 2

decir : dicho; diciendo

 Present Indicative    
 1st Person Singular  3rd Person Plural 
 digo  dicen 
 Preterite Indicative    
   3rd Person Plural 
   dijeron 

From the table, we can see that the verb is stem changing (the present indicative 3rd person plural has a vowel in its stressed syllable not found in the infinitive).
We can also see that the preterite has an irregular stem (dij-).

To form the present subjunctive:
digo -> diga

To form the imperfect subjunctive:
dijeron -> dijera (also dijese)

To form the compound verb (the 'perfect' tense):
haber dicho

To form the present progressive:
estar diciendo
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Fabulous, Rusty! Thanks for that tip. I have definitely not been studying my verb conjugations enough, which is what prompted me to think about this suggestion in the first place. My only concern is that it would be time consuming for the "bot" to add something more to the DSW descriptors/definitions/examples.
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The table's not perfect. The future indicative 1st person is needed, which usually helps you form the conditional.

The "bot" is a group of human beings. They may be convinced to go the extra mile when the word is a verb. Let's see what the boss says.
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Old January 23, 2010, 02:24 AM
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The "bot" is a group of human beings. They may be convinced to go the extra mile when the word is a verb. Let's see what the boss says.
I think I'm just going to propose nouns from now on - much easier. My brain hurts. (Only kidding )
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Old January 23, 2010, 05:38 AM
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I knew that the "bot" was a group of humans. But I have to say that I have a GREAT appreciation for the work that you all do - I cannot tell you the VALUE that the DSW has for me and for my Spanish learning!!!!
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The bot is a valor added in the human knowledge, I have never heard thus thing.
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Crotalito - "bot" is short for "robot". We joke that the user named "Daily Word" is a robot - simply a piece of machinery. But we really know that the "bot" is a group of people who prepare the Daily Spanish Word for us. That's all.
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Crotalito - "bot" is short for "robot". We joke that the user named "Daily Word" is a robot - simply a piece of machinery. But we really know that the "bot" is a group of people who prepare the Daily Spanish Word for us. That's all.
Sincerely I didn't know, I know that the're software for do that things in a website.


Thank you for the information.
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