Article 124

[Perikles]

En zonas donde existen pasos para peatones, los que se dispongan a atravesar la calzada deberán hacerlo precisamente por ellos, sin que puedan efectuarlo por las proximidades y, cuando tales pasos sean a nivel, se observarán, además, las reglas siguientes:

In areas where there are crossings for pedestrians, those who intend crossing the road must do so exactly on these crossings, without being able to do so in their vicinity, and, when these crossings are flat, the following rules must be followed:

Is this translation correct? Specifically the sin que puedan ... in bold.

Thanks

[irmamar]

I think the translation is correct except for "a nivel", which means level crossing (railway).

[Perikles]

Originally Posted by irmamar

I think the translation is correct except for "a nivel", which means level crossing (railway).

Ah - thanks

On second thoughts, are you sure about the 'level crossing', which in English is specifically for railways?

The rules which apply to these crossings are a, b and c below. This does not make sense if the crossing is to cross a railway track:

1. En zonas donde existen pasos para peatones, los que se dispongan a atravesar la calzada deberán hacerlo precisamente por ellos, sin que puedan efectuarlo por las proximidades y, cuando tales pasos sean a nivel, se observarán, además, las reglas siguientes:
a. Si el paso dispone de semáforos para peatones, obedecerán sus indicaciones.
b. Si no existiera semáforo para peatones pero la circulación de vehículos estuviera regulada por agente o semáforo, no penetrarán en la calzada mientras la señal del agente o del semáforo permita la circulación de vehículos por ella.
c. En los restantes pasos para peatones señalizados mediante la correspondiente marca vial, aunque tienen preferencia, sólo deben penetrar en la calzada cuando la distancia y la velocidad de los vehículos que se aproximen permitan hacerlo con seguridad.

[irmamar]

Yes, I'm sure what a "paso a nivel" means. I've got my driver license for many years.

[Perikles]

Originally Posted by irmamar

Yes, I'm sure what a "paso a nivel" means. I've got my driver license for many years.

OK thanks. We must discuss the second sentence soon, including BrE spelling.


Edit: there is now serious disagreement on a local English Tenerife forum as to what the above law actually means. Can somebody please tell me whether rules a, b and c apply to all road crossings as well as level crossings, and if so, how the grammar of the above makes sense?

Thanks

[irmamar]

This law is applied to all the country, since it is the "Reglamento General de Circulación". I agree with you that it is not well written. But there are still many level crossing without barriers (?).

[Perikles]

Originally Posted by Perikles

there is now serious disagreement on a local English Tenerife forum as to what the above law actually means. Can somebody please tell me whether rules a, b and c apply to all road crossings as well as level crossings, and if so, how the grammar of the above makes sense?

Yes, thanks, but this was my actual question

[sosia]

Originally Posted by Perikles

Ah - thanks

On second thoughts, are you sure about the 'level crossing', which in English is specifically for railways?

The rules which apply to these crossings are a, b and c below. This does not make sense if the crossing is to cross a railway track:

1. En zonas donde existen pasos para peatones, los que se dispongan a atravesar la calzada deberán hacerlo precisamente por ellos, sin que puedan efectuarlo por las proximidades y, cuando tales pasos sean a nivel, se observarán, además, las reglas siguientes:
a. Si el paso dispone de semáforos para peatones, obedecerán sus indicaciones.
b. Si no existiera semáforo para peatones pero la circulación de vehículos estuviera regulada por agente o semáforo, no penetrarán en la calzada mientras la señal del agente o del semáforo permita la circulación de vehículos por ella.
c. En los restantes pasos para peatones señalizados mediante la correspondiente marca vial, aunque tienen preferencia, sólo deben penetrar en la calzada cuando la distancia y la velocidad de los vehículos que se aproximen permitan hacerlo con seguridad.

What's your exact question? Why it does not make sense?

Basic: You must crossing the road on the crossings, not near them
If you're on a 'level crossing' (railway) then:
a: you must follow the pedestrian traffic light
b: If there's not pedestrian traffic light, you must follow the car/train traffic light or police officer and cross when the car's are red
c: when there's no traffic light any kind, the pedestrian can enter and has priority, but you can only cross having the suitable distance between you and the car (you can't jump in freely)
suitable distance: the distance good enough for security

as Angelica stated, the "juridiñol" (juridical spanish) is so....
what amazes me is that the 3 rules are specific for "level crossing" (además), but for me are essential ones, for all kinds of crossings.

RCL 19341688 Decreto de 25 septiembre 1934

Paso a nivel.-Se entiende por paso a nivel el encuentro, en un mismo plano, de una vía férrea con otra vía urbana o interurbana.

saludos

[Perikles]

Originally Posted by aleCcowaN

Was this it or was it something else?

This.

Originally Posted by sosia

Why it does not make sense?

Basic: You must crossing the road on the crossings, not near them
If you're on a 'level crossing' (railway) then:
a: you must follow the pedestrian traffic light
b: If there's not pedestrian traffic light, you must follow the car/train traffic light or police officer and cross when the car's are red
c: when there's no traffic light any kind, the pedestrian can enter and has priority, but you can only cross having the suitable distance between you and the car (you can't jump in freely)
suitable distance: the distance good enough for security

what amazes me is that the 3 rules are specific for "level crossing" (además), but for me are essential ones, for all kinds of crossings.

saludos

Thanks both, but can't you see why I am confused? If I understand correctly, you both interpret this as rules a, b, and c apply only if they are railway crossings. This makes no sense because rule c refers to cars.

Am I the only person who sees a problem here?

[Perikles]

Originally Posted by sosia

As I stated, the 3 rules are more for a normal crossing as a "level" one.

Ah, but that is not what you said here:

Originally Posted by sosia

Basic: You must crossing the road on the crossings, not near them
If you're on a 'level crossing' (railway) then:
a: you must follow the pedestrian traffic light ....

This in English very clearly means a: etc applies only if you are on a level crossing

Originally Posted by sosia

It's not well written. I think it should be more like
"sin que puedan efectuarlo por las proximidades , especialemente cuando tales pasos sean a nivel, y se observarán además, las reglas siguientes:"

OK - if I translate cuando + pres. subjunctive as even if then it begins to make sense.

Thanks for that!