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Old May 31, 2014, 06:03 PM
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Lo siento Chileno. Creo que ambos fraces son mas o menos iguales pero para mi el primero parece mejor.

Both of these seem to be stating completed actions up to now and the current result of the action. I did study every day until now and as of now I still can not speak Spanish.
Even though I study... Absolute confirmation that I really do study every day. BEST
Even studying every..... Very close but possibly not quite as strong confirmation.

This is quite different:
Even if I study every day I still would not be able to speak Spanish.
This is talking about the future:
Even if (starting today) I study every day I still would not be able to speak Spanish (in the future).

Hope this helps. It is very difficult. It always amazes me how complex every day speech can be be when I try to explain it.
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Old May 31, 2014, 08:33 PM
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That's what i was trying to accomplish with your question regarding my language.


Don't be sorry, but please, don't do it again.
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Cesar you are absolutely correct. I have spoken English for 71 years and DO NOT know these grammar details in my own native tongue so why am I going crazy trying to learn them in Spanish. I think this is one of many reasons older people have more trouble learning a new language. Thank you.
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Bob. Creo que pensamos igual con respecto a este tema. Hay una gran diferencia entre aprender un idioma y mejorar el propio. En este último caso, al tener una base muy amplia y profunda, es más fácil incorporar palabras, frases y significados de nuestro idioma, sea cual sea. Pero para el que está aprendiendo uno nuevo, debe abordar primero lo más fácil y simple, y después poco a poco ir incorporando lo más complejo. Sobre todo para las personas de más edad, como nosotros. Además, también considero importante transmitir cada idioma de una forma más neutra. Los regionalismos son simpáticos, pero a veces confunden a aquéllos que están aprendiendo. En mi caso, que hablo español rioplatense, no incorporo en mi comunicación ninguna particularidad (que son muchas y muy ricas) en beneficio de la mejor comprensión.
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Para aprender el papel de los pronombres en español, una a persona que habla inglés debe entender la gramática básica.
De hecho la gramática lleva las herrimientas del idioma. Es una maravilla casi como el mapa del cerebro humano colectivo.
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Esa gramática no se aprende en la escuela, en todo caso. Y la persona no está conciente de que está aprendiendo "gramática".
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