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Old October 28, 2009, 01:39 PM
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For the general behoof

The following excerpt is from a novel by Dickens. I don't understand well what I'm going to underline. Is there someone to help me?:

Girl number twenty unable to define a horse! said Mr. Gradgrind, for the general behoof of all the little pitchers.

¿Para el beneficio general de todas las jarritas?

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Old October 28, 2009, 02:27 PM
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It's gotten from a book right?

May you give me the book name?

Really I have time finding any book that I can read by the nights.
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Old October 28, 2009, 02:41 PM
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Girl number twenty unable to define a horse! said Mr. Gradgrind, for the general behoof of all the little pitchers.

¿Para el beneficio general de todas las jarritas?

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behoof = benefit. Gradgrind is a teacher at a school, famous for filling children with facts. The metaphor is that the children are all little pitchers (jars) full to overflowing of water = little heads full of facts.
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hola irmamar - si, "para el beneficio general de todas las jarritas".

habiendo leido 'hard times', me acuerdo del contexto de ese momento en
una de las clases de Gradgrind - "jarritas = "little pitchers", y por lo tanto
representan estudiantes-as como los vio el maestro: mentes vacias y bien
preparadas a aceptar sus metodos (y propositos) relativos a la ensenanza.

como fabricacion en serie de seres humanos, la que era anatema para
una generacion del siglo XIX, ?no verdad?

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Old October 28, 2009, 03:17 PM
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Thanks, Perikles and Hermit. I'm not reading the novel, just a short passage from the novel and later we'll work with its vocabulary and syntax. So I'm very grateful for setting me in the context, since I didn't know what those "little jars" were.

Crotalito, as Hermit said, the novel is Hard Times, by Charles Dickens. As this novel is free from author rights, maybe you can find it in the Internet

Y en cuanto a la "fabricación en serie de humanos", creo que los estudiantes hoy en día siguen siendo "jarritas vacías" (muchos incluso cuando acaban de estudiar)
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behoof = benefit. Gradgrind is a teacher at a school, famous for filling children with facts. The metaphor is that the children are all little pitchers (jars) full to overflowing of water = little heads full of facts.
By reading the paragraph, I surmised it referred to children (boys and girls) but I did not catch the metaphor of the empty jars/minds ready to be filled...

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Thanks, Perikles and Hermit. I'm not reading the novel, just a short passage from the novel and later we'll work with its vocabulary and syntax. So I'm very grateful for setting me in the context, since I didn't know what those "little jars" were.

Crotalito, as Hermit said, the novel is Hard Times, by Charles Dickens. As this novel is free from author rights, maybe you can find it in the Internet

Y en cuanto a la "fabricación en serie de humanos", creo que los estudiantes hoy en día siguen siendo "jarritas vacías" (muchos incluso cuando acaban de estudiar)
Thank you for you support.

Immediately I'll find the author of the novel.

Beforehand thanks you.
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en cuanto a los estudiantes

si irmamar - hace muchos anos que no escribo sobre estos topicos.

asi siempre ha sido - pero de vez en cuando encontramos maestros
que saben comunicar no solo lo de uso sino tambien cierta inspiracion, la que les sirve bien por toda la vida.

(que perdones mi espanol que sera un poco torpe por falta de practica.)

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Old October 29, 2009, 01:36 AM
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No es tan malo tu español, it's much better than my English

El problema en mi país no está tanto en los profesores como en el sistema educativo. Es penoso, la verdad. No a nivel universitario, sino en la educación obligatoria.

You're welcome, Crotalito . I like a lot Dickens, I don't know if you have ever heard about him (maybe you know something about Oliver Twist, his most famous novel). Es triste pero muy tierno
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By reading the paragraph, I surmised it referred to children (boys and girls) but I did not catch the metaphor of the empty jars/minds ready to be filled...
same for me. Thanks perikles/hermit
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