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Old May 08, 2010, 08:54 PM
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Muy bien! Me gusta verte escribir en español

PD castellano es un otro nombre para "español"

I believe the region in Spain is Castillo. Está ahí la RAE.
Pero quiero aprender el español latinoamericano. ¿Es el mismo?
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PD El castellano es un otro nombre para el español.
Depending on which country you're from, the Spanish you learn could be called el castellano or el español. They are identical in every way. The Spanish language has two names.
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@Bob: La región es Castilla. "Un castillo" is a castle.

@Lou Ann: Nice paragraph!
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Estuve/estaba explicando/le explicaba a Ookami sobre su inglés. Quería escribirlo en inglés. Además, no estoy usando mi computadora - estoy en Nueva York, y uso la computadora de mi mamá, sin teclado español. Se demora una eternidad para escribir con el menú desplegable. No tienes idea como de cuanto tiempo es necesario para mí para escribir en español, incluso con mi teclado. Cuando no tengo mucho tiempo, no escribo en español.
Te entiendo, pero veamos que pasa. no le puedes decir a tus profesores en Buenos Aires estas excusas, ¿No?

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Pues ... ¿qué es "Castellano"? No sé Castellano. Quiero aprender español....
En todos los países se habla y hay gente que entiende perfectamente el castellano. Si dices que hablas español también se entiende. Los dos son la misma cosa. Bueno, no exactamente.

Piensa que estamos hablando del inglés, y alguien, como ya ha habido, te pregunta si el inglés británico es lo mismo que el inglés americano. Básicamente es el mismo pero hay variaciones en sus usos, ¿correcto?

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Pasé casi 15 minutos para teclear esto...
Escribe en inglés primero, para ordenar tu cabeza y para redactar lo que quieres decir y crear tu documento, y despues utiliza tu conocimiento del castellano para traducirlo lo mejor que puedas. Repito, no es necesario que lo hagas a la perfección. No se espera de ti en estos momentos.

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Pero quiero aprender el español latinoamericano. ¿Es el mismo?
Sí, salvo por lo que te dije con mi analogía del inglés británico y americano.

Además que en Argentina te dicen que hablan castellano.

Ya hablaremos más sobre el castellano<>español

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Te entiendo, pero veamos que pasa. no le puedes decir a tus profesores en Buenos Aires estas excusas, ¿No?
Frankly, when I am in BsAs, I will not have anything but "learning Spanish" on my plate. Right now, my "excuses" are valid. Taking the last week of school off is going to be a monumental challenge (I am already concerned about finishing my grades when the computer system is not going to allow me priority to get into "finish" mode...), preparing for 6 weeks abroad with virtually no time off to pack/organize/time-manage, etc., and I have a concert the week before I leave. I have a life. Once I am in BsAs, my ENTIRE life will be about learning Spanish. In fact, I don't have time to write much in English right now, but it would take me a half hour to say all of this in Spanish - yet it will take me about a minute and a half to type in English.

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En todos los países se habla y hay gente que entiende perfectamente el castellano. Si dices que hablas español también se entiende. Los dos son la misma cosa. Bueno, no exactamente.

Piensa que estamos hablando del inglés, y alguien, como ya ha habido, te pregunta si el inglés británico es lo mismo que el inglés americano. Básicamente es el mismo pero hay variaciones en sus usos, ¿correcto?
If you say that Castillian Spanish originated in Spain, and is mainly used in Argentina & Chile of the Latin American countries, then it is not what I want to learn. I want to learn the standard, academic Spanish with a leaning toward a generic Latin American Spanish. In fact, if I come back to the DC area with any Argentine leanings, I will have GREAT difficulty with my Spanish-speaking colleagues, students, parents, friends, etc. I know gringos who have studied Spanish in Argentina, have come back fluent, and were completely shunned by native Spanish-speakers around here because of a disdain for the Argentines. I want to come home with a balanced Spanish. It sounds like a "Castillian" Spanish will not do that for me.

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Escribe en inglés primero, para ordenar tu cabeza y para redactar lo que quieres decir y crear tu documento, y despues utiliza tu conocimiento del castellano para traducirlo lo mejor que puedas. Repito, no es necesario que lo hagas a la perfección. No se espera de ti en estos momentos.
Please, Hernan - do not keep telling me that this is what I should do. I have explained to you previously that this method will not work for me. And if you believe that I am foolish for saying so, then so be it. I AM a fool in very many ways. If this, then, is one more ... so be it. I know my learning style better than anyone, and learning to translate is not the best thing for me.
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Lou Ann,

The castellano they speak in Spain is not the same as the castellano they speak in Argentina. You'll be learning Latin American Spanish in Argentina, along with their particular differences in pronunciation and vocabulary.

You've probably already learned that there are differences in vocabulary and pronunciation as you travel from region to region in the 22 nations where Spanish is spoken. These differences can be compared to the differences between British English and American English in some instances and the differences between Boston, MA and Atlanta, GA in other instances. In the latter example, you can find more similarity in vocabulary than in the former, but there's no mistaking that the pronunciation of shared words is very different.

The Argentinians claim the name castellano for the language they speak. Most South American countries do. Mexicans claim the name español for the language they speak. Both are valid claims because there are two accepted names for the Spanish language.

Even though you'll learn Latin American Spanish in Argentina, I guarantee that you'll find regional differences in pronunciation and vocabulary as you travel from country to country where Spanish is spoken. I lived in four adjacent countries of Central America. In them, I used four different Spanish accents and had to remember four different words for 'kid' and 'banana' (just a couple of examples of differences in vocabulary).
Don't fret.
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