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Old March 05, 2008, 06:24 PM
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Hola a todos:

¿Alguien me puede ayudar a corregir lo siguiente, por favor? Tengo que transcribir las siguientes frases fonéticamente en la habla lenta y rápida.

1. "La oración que quiere entonar es un poco horrible"

Mi intento:

[La-or-a-ción-k-k-iere-en-ton-ar-es-un-po-co-hor-i-ble] (la habla cuidadosa y lenta)

[lao-ra-ción-k-ie-ren-ton-are-sun-pocor-ible]

2. "Mis sentimientos oscuros sobre este asunto no tienen antecedentes"

[Mis-sen-ti-mien-tos-os-cur-os-so-bre-es-te-a-sun-to-no-tie-nen-an-te-ce-den-tes] (la habla lenta)

(la habla rápida) [Mis-en-ti-mien-tos-cur-oso-bre-stea-sun-to-no-tien-en-an-te-den-tes]

¿Son correctas las dos maneras de hablar? ¿O sea está bien eliminar y combinar las vocales y consonantes en la habla rápida? Porque en inglés, en la mayoría de los casos no se puede. En español, se puede también pronunciar la versión "lenta" más rápido sin eliminar las vocales, ¿no?

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Old March 06, 2008, 02:49 AM
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Hola, Gramática:

Me gustaría saber qué es lo que estudias o investigas, pues tus preguntas me resultan muy intrigantes. Eso me ayudaría a orientar mis respuestas. Encuentro que algunas de tus preguntas apuntan muy alto, pero, a veces, apuntan en la dirección equivocada. En este caso, los ejemplos que pones son frases muy cultas. Una pronunciación rápida y descuidada de ellas no se da en la realidad. ¿Se trata de fonética de laboratorio? Por otra parte, el sistema de transcripción que utilizas no es científico y, prácticamente, se limita a una partición aleatoria en sílabas.
Te contesto tan pronto como tenga algo más de información.

Por otra parte, aunque habla es femenino, con los determinantes el, un, algún y ningún utiliza las formas masculinas para evitar la cacofonía. Es decir, el habla (pero las hablas). Esto ocurre con todas las palabras que empiezan con a tónica: águila, agua, etc.

En mi idiolecto del español (mi particular forma de hablarlo), no es aceptable mi intento por my try. La traducción correcta sería mi respuesta, mi suposición, mi hipótesis, etc.
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Old March 06, 2008, 01:34 PM
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My try

I think what was meant by "mi intento" was my attempt. It's the same idea, I know.

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Old March 06, 2008, 02:25 PM
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Thanks a lot, Marsopa. I couldn't find the word attempt. So the following question is: is it the same mi try and my attempt with the meaning we are discussing?
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Old April 05, 2008, 12:42 PM
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Yes, Alfonso, my try and my attempt are synonymous . The word attempt is perhaps a bit more formal than try and used in the upper registers.
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Is'nt a better interpretation of mi intento my intention which is more like a desire or will
than an attempt?

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I don't think mi intento is my intention, as well as it's not mi intención.
I think a good translation is my attempt or my try. The point is that, in Spanish, you use mi intento mostly in a sport context.

Al saltador aún le quedan dos intentos tras haber fallado en el primero.

I don't rule other possibilities out, but I don't accept mi intento the way Gramática used it. The meaning is clear, but, for me, it doesn't sound very Spanish.
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Exactly. If intento is used primarily for sports than what would be a better
word or attempt in other circumstances. I hesitate to use atento because I associate it with a criminal act. En los periódicos por lo menos El Diario/La Prensa aqui en Nueva York el verbo atentar está reservado para los actos de terrorismo.

Is there a common phrase/idiom for attempt like we have in English? In the states we use: take a swing at it or give it a whirl as an alternative to attempt or try. Attempt and try are more commonly used because they are easy for us to use.


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Old April 07, 2008, 12:23 PM
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Step by step, Poli. Atento means attentive. It hasn't got anything to do with criminal acts.

Atentar y atentado son las palabras que sí tienen que ver con el terrorismo, más que con los actos delictivos en general. La primera es un verbo y la segunda un sustantivo. Supongo que no ofrecen dudas...
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Step by step, Poli. Atento means attentive. It hasn't got anything to do with criminal acts.

Atentar y atentado son las palabras que sí tienen que ver con el terrorismo, más que con los actos delictivos en general. La primera es un verbo y la segunda un sustantivo. Supongo que no ofrecen dudas...
Yes. Of course in haste I used atento instead of atentar knowing fully the difference between the two words. Still, I cannot find a Spanish equivalent for the nouns attempt and try. The verb tratar and tratar de translate, but I cannot think of any related Spanish nouns. Supongo que tiene que reconstruir la frase cuando la traduzca. It was a good attempt would translate: Trató de hacerlo y casi tuvo exito. ¿Correcto?

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