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Old October 29, 2009, 10:58 AM
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Gerund or infinitive

how come in Spanish you say PARADO & not PARANDO when you want to say standing? y the participle & not the gerund? & how would people know you're talking about standing & not stopping???
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Old October 29, 2009, 11:38 AM
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I'd say "estoy de pie". But in some places it is said "estoy parado" (not parando). To me "estoy parado" means I'm unemployed /stopped.
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Old October 29, 2009, 03:28 PM
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Estoy de pie and estoy parado mean the same thing in Central America.
And estoy parado also means "I'm stopped."

Context is the only way to know which meaning of estar parado was intended. This is true of many words in both languages.

Note: Estar de pie or estar parado are two ways to say the phrase to be standing. This phrase should not be confused with the verb pararse (to stand up/to stop); the word standing (parado) is actually an adjective (subjective complement or predicate adjective, to be exact). The verb is a linking verb (copula). Only the linking verb is conjugated.
The word parando is a Spanish gerundio, known as a present participle in English. It has no part in the phrase. It can be used when forming a progressive tense of the verb pararse, however.

Compare this with the phrase estar sentado (to be seated) and the verb sentarse (to sit down/to seat oneself). To use the phrase with the linking verb, you would say estoy sentada (I'm seated), if you're a female. If you're using the verb, you would say me siento (I'm sitting down). This is the action, not the state, and it's conjugated in the present indicative tense. If you want to use the present progressive tense, you would say me estoy sentando (I'm currently in the process of sitting down).

I hope this helps.

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The word parando is a Spanish gerundio, known as a present participle in English.
Perhaps the word is used differently in Spanish, but I would say parando is a participio de presente (= present participle), not gerundio. In English, there is a grammatical difference between a present participle and a gerund, although they have the same form. The gerund is a noun form of the verb.

Gerund: Walking is good exercise
Present Part.: I am walking along the street.
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Perhaps the word is used differently in Spanish, but I would say parando is a participio de presente (= present participle), not gerundio. In English, there is a grammatical difference between a present participle and a gerund, although they have the same form. The gerund is a noun form of the verb.

Gerund: Walking is good exercise
Present Part.: I am walking along the street.
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It's important to know that the gerund is not often used in Spanish.
Instead we most often use the infinitve.
Here are examples:
Walking is a good excercise. Caminar es un buen ejercicio.
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It's important to know that the gerund is not often used in Spanish.
Instead we most often use the infinitve.
Yes, good point. Come to think of it, when do you use the gerund in Spanish?

I have consulted some grammar books, and find that the Spanish gerundio is nothing like the English gerund, so it is really, really confusing.

I am working: working is a present participle
Estoy trabajando: trabajando es gerundio

Further, the gerundio is never used as a verbal noun, but in English, the gerund is a verbal noun.

I like drawing (gerund) = me gusta dibujar

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I'm trying think if the traditional English gerund can be used in Spanish.
I think the following sentence is OK in Spanish:

Sabiendo que estás en vaccaciones, fui a tu casa a recoger tu correo.

--I'm not sure of the grammatical function however. If a gerund is a verb that acts as a noun in English, I'm not sure what part of speech sabiendo is.
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--I'm not sure of the grammatical function however. If a gerund is a verb that acts as a noun in English, I'm not sure what part of speech sabiendo is.
sabiendo is a gerundio, but in this instance in English translation, it is a present participle.
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You can't use a gerund as a subject, but the infinitive:

Drinking is not good for you
Beber no es bueno para ti

Spanish gerund has the following functions:

- As a verb:

Trabajando tanto y sin poder llegar a fin de mes

- As an adverb:

Salió corriendo

- As an adjective:

Vimos un coche ardiendo
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Yes, this is why it is rather confusing. The Spanish gerundio is sometimes the English present participle. The English gerund is always a noun. (I think)
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