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Old June 30, 2009, 09:22 AM
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English structures, help

Basic structure:

subject + verb + object + infinitive with 'to'

Example:

John advised Susan to be very quiet

Susan is the object of the verb advised and the subject of the verb to be. Which of the verbs below cannot be used in such a structure?

ask, beg, forbid, instruct, invite, order, persuade, remember, remind, say, teach, urge, warn.

I think it's 'beg': He used to beg for money. But I'm not sure at all. Am I wrong? Thanks.
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Old June 30, 2009, 09:36 AM
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If you mean which verb can replace the first verb (not the infinitive in the noun clause - the Direct Object), then all but 'remember' and 'say' can be used. We use 'remind' and 'tell' in those cases.
John asked/begged/forbid/instructed/invited/ordered/persuaded/reminded/told/taught/urged/warned Susan ...
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Old June 30, 2009, 09:47 AM
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I am not sure but to urge,remember can't used.Because there can be problems in meaning.People who have mother tongue is english can help better.
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Can all of the verbs that I've written follow the following structure?:

subject + verb + object + infinitive with 'to'?

I'm asked which of these verbs doesn't follow this structure, in this sentence or in another. May I say: I begged somebody to do something?

I don't know which verb is, but it's said that one of them can't follow that structure, I guessed it was beg, because I think the other ones work well with it.
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As Rusty said in post #2, you can use all of the verbs except "remember and say".

And...Yes, you can say "I beg somebody to do something", e.g. I beg you to be cautious in your answers.
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Old June 30, 2009, 10:02 AM
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Oh, I see! I didn't understand Rusty before! Sorry, Rusty

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John advised /asked /begged /forbad(e) /instructed /invited /ordered /
reminded /urged /told /taught / persuaded Susan to do something. These will all work.

These verbs can all have people as direct objects.

Say and remember do not work. Neither will verbs such as speak, talk, think, sing remember have abstract direct objects such as words, thoughts and memories as direct objects (DO) and people as observers/ recipients/ or indirct objects (IO) of the actions

John said something (DO) to Susan (ID)
He sang Susan(IO) a song (DO) or He sang a song (DO) to Susan IO object)
He remembered meeting (DO) Susan or he remembered Susan (DO)

I hope this makes some sense to you. I am confused now!!
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John advised /asked /begged /forbad(e) /instructed /invited /ordered /
reminded /urged /told /taught / persuaded Susan to do something. These will all work.

These verbs can all have people as direct objects.

Say and remember do not work. Neither will verbs such as speak, talk, think, sing remember have abstract direct objects such as words, thoughts and memories as direct objects (DO) and people as observers/ recipients/ or indirct objects (IO) of the actions

John said something (DO) to Susan (ID)
He sang Susan(IO) a song (DO) or He sang a song (DO) to Susan IO object)
He remembered meeting (DO) Susan or he remembered Susan (DO)

I hope this makes some sense to you. I am confused now!!
Thanks, Brute.

I hope you're not confused, if you are... what about me?
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