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Old August 21, 2009, 07:43 AM
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For me it isn't more correct...
I prefer "Estoy seguro que vas a ganar" than ""Estoy seguro de que vas a ganar" .. "de" is not neccesary at all and, for me, it sounds bad. (there was a good article about that.. i will search for it)

Personally i almost never "relax" too much the language and my friends and family either (you can say quick and informal things whitout needing to make a language fault). It depends a lot of the education and the tradition of the zone.

As the other ones said, spanish has a lot of optiones..
-¿comemos?
in context, same as:
-¡comamos!
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In part of the you have said is right, but it doesn't means that the last phrase is incorrect, because Estoy seguro de que vas a ganar basically is a correct conjugation in Spanish, and well, also I'm agree with you that the Spanish has much camp where you can take the words are says exactly the same or at least makes sense the phrase, this with the English is something hard to does, but refer to the first one, I believe that exist divers opinions about the that you have said before.


Sincerely yours.
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Old August 21, 2009, 11:20 AM
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Hello, thanks for the reply. I didn't said it was incorrect, i said "it isn't more correct" -than the other one.

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Old August 21, 2009, 02:17 PM
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Hello, thanks for the reply. I didn't said it was incorrect, i said "it isn't more correct" -than the other one.

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Whatever, you're welcome.
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Well, the correct way is "estoy seguro de que vas a ganar". Why? It's very easy, just ask to the verb: ¿De qué estoy seguro? (¿Qué estoy seguro? makes no sense)

Estoy convencido de que vendrán este fin de semana. ¿De qué estoy convencido?
Dijeron que vendrían. ¿Qué dijeron?

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It's interesting that in English we sometimes use the preposition.

Are you sure he's coming?
I'm sure of it. = I'm sure.

Are you sure of that? = Are you sure?
Yes, I'm sure he's coming.

In English, we don't have to use the conjunction 'that':
I'm sure he's coming. = I'm sure that he's coming.

Either way, we never use the preposition 'of' after 'sure'.
We only seem to throw it in when the subjunctive complement 'sure' would otherwise stand alone, as demonstrated above, but we want to embellish it with the prepositional phrase.


I wonder some days if the conquistadores forgot to bring that page from the RAE with them to the New World. I'm pretty certain I've heard many people 'forget' to say the preposition de after the subjective complement segur@.
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It's interesting that in English we sometimes use the preposition.

Are you sure he's coming?
I'm sure of it. = I'm sure.

Are you sure of that? = Are you sure?
Yes, I'm sure he's coming.

In English, we don't have to use the conjunction 'that':
I'm sure he's coming. = I'm sure that he's coming.

Either way, we never use the preposition 'of' after 'sure'.
We only seem to throw it in when the subjunctive complement 'sure' would otherwise stand alone, as demonstrated above, but we want to embellish it with the prepositional phrase.


I wonder some days if the conquistadores forgot to bring that page from the RAE with them to the New World. I'm pretty certain I've heard many people 'forget' to say the preposition de after the subjective complement segur@.

I agree with you often the either way in English is used alots prepositions when are needed.

I'm interesting in your comments, you've chance to write more instances here, please!.

I'll be grateful with your help thanks.
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Hi Satch,

(As a non-native speaker) my impression is that native monolingual speakers of Spanish don't make mistakes in indicative vs. subjunctive usage, although there are a FEW instances in which either can be used in certain dialects For example: Si llueva/llueve, no iremos al parque. For these speakers, the in first case, the rain is more iffy, I believe. Sort of like "Just in case it rains, we won't go to the park" vws. "If it rains, we won't go to the park."

Differences in "correctness" are often due to vocabulary ("Callate el hocico" vs. "Callate" (standard); asina instead of asi), minor differences in things like que/de que that were mentioned in an earlier post, and especially, difference in local vocabulary. It's important to remember that there is no one universal Spanish.

On the other hand,when you notice words and grammatical constructions that don't seem right, it IS important to remember who said what and in what context. That way you can learn the social perameters for their usage.
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