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Old April 25, 2013, 07:31 AM
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Según lo que - objeto directo?

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En la oración: Madrid, una ciudad bonita, y según lo que Juan había oído, muy hermosa.


el "según lo que" - es el objeto directo?? por que Juan es el sujeto, había oído es el núcleo verbal.

Madrid, una ciudad bonita- Madrid- sujeto, la "coma" es el en vez del verbo "es" y una ciudad bonita el predicativo subjetivo obligatorio entonces.

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I think the sentence is grammatically incorrect, but I'll leave that to the experts.

In any case, the lo que is definitely not a direct object. It is contained in a subordinate clause in a compound sentence (main clause: Madrid es hermosa) which does not have a direct object. In the subordinate clause clause, it is governed by the preposition según.
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Old April 25, 2013, 07:51 AM
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I think the sentence is grammatically incorrect, but I'll leave that to the experts.

In any case, the lo que is definitely not a direct object. It is contained in a subordinate clause in a compound sentence (main clause: Madrid es hermosa) which does not have a direct object. In the subordinate clause clause, it is governed by the preposition según.
Oh, what part is it then ? its just that I have to mention which part of the sentence it is (subject, object, predicate etc).

Hmm... what could it be then? there is no way its subject nor object, so I have no idea what if we take the sentence on its own " según lo que Juan había oido", is there no way to analize it?

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Hola,

En la oración: Madrid, una ciudad bonita, y según lo que Juan había oído, muy hermosa.


el "según lo que" - es el objeto directo?? por que Juan es el sujeto, había oído es el núcleo verbal.

Madrid, una ciudad bonita- Madrid- sujeto, la "coma" es el en vez del verbo "es" y una ciudad bonita el predicativo subjetivo obligatorio entonces.
Now it looks as if you have edited your post after I posted. The sentence was

Madrid, una ciudad bonita, y según lo que Juan había oído, es muy hermosa.

Which is somehow wrong. But with your correction:

Madrid, una ciudad bonita, y según lo que Juan había oído, muy hermosa.

This is not even a sentence. The main clause does not have a verb.



You have a(n adverbial?) subordinate clause:

según lo que Juan había oído.

lo que Juan había oído is a noun clause governed by the preposition según
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Now it looks as if you have edited your post after I posted. The sentence was

Madrid, una ciudad bonita, y según lo que Juan había oído, es muy hermosa.

Which is somehow wrong. But with your correction:

Madrid, una ciudad bonita, y según lo que Juan había oído, muy hermosa.

This is not even a sentence. The main clause does not have a verb.



You have a(n adverbial?) subordinate clause:

según lo que Juan había oído.

lo que Juan había oído is a noun clause governed by the preposition según

Yes I changed it because I wrote it wrong the first time, im sorry, i had to look again on the text, which goes like that:

Madrid, una ciudad antigua y, según lo que Juan había oido, muy hermosa.


(I guess the antigua doesnt change the sentence much)

Hmm.. I guess then that según lo que is the adverbial.. there is no other way
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(I guess the antigua doesnt change the sentence much)
It is not a sentence - it is a phrase. What looks like a main clause does not have a verb!!

Madrid, una ciudad antigua ... muy hermosa.
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It is not a sentence - it is a phrase. What looks like a main clause does not have a verb!!

Madrid, una ciudad antigua ... muy hermosa.

Yep. Its a predicado nominal no verbal, if im not mistaken?

It doesnt make any sence, how am I supposed to figure out the sujeto,objeto etc... I guess we should just forget it then
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Yep. Its a predicado nominal no verbal, if im not mistaken?

It doesnt make any sence, how am I supposed to figure out the sujeto,objeto etc...
You can't without a verb. The verb determines these functions. You could make a guess at ser as a verb, as a default if there is no other**, in which case Madrid is the subject, no object, and so on, but it seems a bit pointless.

**Greek and Latin do this.
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You can't without a verb. The verb determines these functions. You could make a guess at ser as a verb, as a default if there is no other**, in which case Madrid is the subject, no object, and so on, but it seems a bit pointless.

**Greek and Latin do this.

I guess this clause is useless. I will continue analizing other sentences then. I already posted one, which I think is pretty straightforward, although I might be wrong there too
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Hola,

En la oración: Madrid, una ciudad bonita, y según lo que Juan había oído, muy hermosa.


el "según lo que" - es el objeto directo?? por que Juan es el sujeto, había oído es el núcleo verbal.

Madrid, una ciudad bonita- Madrid- sujeto, la "coma" es el en vez del verbo "es" y una ciudad bonita el predicativo subjetivo obligatorio entonces.
The analysis of "lo que" in this sentence is somewhat complicated. The pair of words "lo que" servers a variety of functions in Spanish: in this case they are a definite article (lo) + relative pronoun (que) that function to nominalize a relative clause. The head of a relative clause (in this case the pronoun "que") always fills a grammatical role within the relative clause: in this case "que" is the direct object of "Juan había oído". Placing the neuter definite article "lo" before this relative clause creates a noun phrase ("lo que Juan había oído"), which can function as the prepositional object of "según".
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