Ask a Question

(Create a thread)
Go Back   Spanish language learning forums > Spanish & English Languages > Grammar


Conditional vs. Subjunctive

 

This is the place for questions about conjugations, verb tenses, adverbs, adjectives, word order, syntax and other grammar questions for English or Spanish.


Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Old August 21, 2010, 10:37 PM
satchrocks satchrocks is offline
Ruby
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: USA
Posts: 59
Native Language: English/Ingles
satchrocks is on a distinguished road
Conditional vs. Subjunctive

Are there some general rules for remembering when to use the conditional vs. the subjunctive, and, more generally, are there any general guidelines for subjunctive vs. indicative use?
__________________
Mi español necesita mejorar mucho. Por favor, no dudar en corrige. Gracias.
Reply With Quote
   
Get rid of these ads by registering for a free Tomísimo account.
  #2  
Old August 22, 2010, 12:12 AM
Rusty's Avatar
Rusty Rusty is offline
Señor Speedy
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: USA
Posts: 11,299
Native Language: American English
Rusty has a spectacular aura aboutRusty has a spectacular aura about
The conditional would be used anytime you use the conditional in English. The subjunctive is almost dead in English, so I can't say the same thing.

The subjunctive is very important to master.
There are many rules that govern the subjunctive mood. You asked the same question almost one year ago!

Let me see if I can find other threads that'll help.
http://forums.tomisimo.org/showthread.php?t=2409
http://forums.tomisimo.org/showthread.php?t=4964
http://forums.tomisimo.org/showthread.php?t=2424

There are many others, and there are many sites that can help you pin down some of the rules.
http://www.lingolex.com/swom/wom-subj.htm
http://www.studyspanish.com/lessons/subj1.htm
http://www.studyspanish.com/lessons/subj2.htm
http://www.studyspanish.com/lessons/subj3.htm
http://www.studyspanish.com/lessons/subj4.htm
http://www.studyspanish.com/lessons/subj5.htm
http://www.studyspanish.com/lessons/subj6.htm
http://www.studyspanish.com/lessons/subj7.htm
http://www.studyspanish.com/lessons/subj8.htm
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old August 22, 2010, 02:19 AM
Perikles's Avatar
Perikles Perikles is offline
Diamond
 
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: Tenerife
Posts: 4,814
Native Language: Inglés
Perikles is on a distinguished road
Quote:
Originally Posted by Rusty View Post
The subjunctive is almost dead in English, so I can't say the same thing.
I beg to differ, it isn't. At least, not in BrE. And because it is more obscure than in Spanish, there is all the more reason to be aware of it.

Last edited by Perikles; August 22, 2010 at 02:28 AM.
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old August 22, 2010, 07:43 AM
Rusty's Avatar
Rusty Rusty is offline
Señor Speedy
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: USA
Posts: 11,299
Native Language: American English
Rusty has a spectacular aura aboutRusty has a spectacular aura about
Yes, I keep forgetting that BrE uses the subjunctive more than we do here. I use the subjunctive in my everyday speech much more than most, and I get weird looks once in awhile for doing so.

Britain and America - two nations divided by a common language.
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old August 22, 2010, 09:01 AM
Perikles's Avatar
Perikles Perikles is offline
Diamond
 
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: Tenerife
Posts: 4,814
Native Language: Inglés
Perikles is on a distinguished road
Quote:
Originally Posted by Rusty View Post
I use the subjunctive in my everyday speech much more than most, and I get weird looks once in awhile for doing so.
Take care, lest you be mistaken for a Brit.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Rusty View Post
Britain and America - two nations divided by a common language.
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old August 22, 2010, 11:45 AM
HomoVulgaris's Avatar
HomoVulgaris HomoVulgaris is offline
Ruby
 
Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: Lithuania
Posts: 58
Native Language: Lithuanian, Russian
HomoVulgaris is on a distinguished road
Antes de que se empezarán peleando , quisiera que vean ese relato gráfico recientemente publicado por BBC.
---
I hope before you start digging for tomahawks, you will take a look here - an inspiring photo-essay recently featured on BBC news site:

"New York is home to some 120,000 English men and women - including photographer Jason Bell. Inspired by the sheer number of British-born people who live there, he tracked down some of better known faces, but also others who do their 'day jobs' in The Big Apple. "

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-11029799
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old August 22, 2010, 03:50 PM
JPablo's Avatar
JPablo JPablo is offline
Diamond
 
Join Date: Apr 2010
Location: Southern California
Posts: 5,579
Native Language: Spanish (Castilian, peninsular)
JPablo is on a distinguished road
Quote:
Originally Posted by HomoVulgaris View Post
Antes de que se empiecenzarán a pelearsendo , quisiera que vieran este relato gráfico publicado recientemente por la BBC.
---
I hope before you start digging for tomahawks, you will take a look here - an inspiring photo-essay recently featured on BBC news site:
Wow, thank you Darius, great pictures and excellent program!
Very clear British accent too... diction is so excellent!

If were to say your English note in Spanish I'd say,
Espero que antes de que empiecen a desenterrar las hachas de guerra, echen un vistazo aquí, un ensayo fotográfico que sirve de inspiración publicado hace poco por la BBC.

Gracias otra vez... (And this also reminds me the origin of the expression "eat crow"... I'll start a new thread with that.) (It has to do with one British soldier and one American revolutionary soldier sharing dinner together...)
__________________
Lo propio de la verdad es que se basta a sí misma, aquel que la posee no intenta convencer a nadie.
"An enemy is somebody who flatters you. A friend is somebody who criticizes the living daylights out of you."
Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old August 23, 2010, 03:27 AM
HomoVulgaris's Avatar
HomoVulgaris HomoVulgaris is offline
Ruby
 
Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: Lithuania
Posts: 58
Native Language: Lithuanian, Russian
HomoVulgaris is on a distinguished road
Quote:
Originally Posted by JPablo View Post
If were to say your English note in Spanish I'd say,
¡Gracias JPablo!
Mi mensaje anterior es un irónico ejemplo de como no reponder en el tema dedicada al subjuntivo Y gracias por parafrasearme - he notado las diferencias.
--
My previous message is an ironic example of how not to post an answer in the topic dedicated to subjunctive. And thank you for paraphrasing me - I have noticed the difference.
Reply With Quote
  #9  
Old August 23, 2010, 01:45 PM
JPablo's Avatar
JPablo JPablo is offline
Diamond
 
Join Date: Apr 2010
Location: Southern California
Posts: 5,579
Native Language: Spanish (Castilian, peninsular)
JPablo is on a distinguished road
De nada. Me alegro de ser de ayuda.
__________________
Lo propio de la verdad es que se basta a sí misma, aquel que la posee no intenta convencer a nadie.
"An enemy is somebody who flatters you. A friend is somebody who criticizes the living daylights out of you."
Reply With Quote
Reply

 

Link to this thread
URL: 
HTML Link: 
BB Code: 
Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts
BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Site Rules

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
The conditional used to communicate probability or conjecture laepelba Grammar 16 March 24, 2010 12:41 PM
Conditional Tenses-Correcciones por favor VivaEspana Practice & Homework 4 November 30, 2009 04:37 AM
Conditional sentences irmamar Grammar 25 November 21, 2009 11:52 AM
Future and Conditional DeterminadoAprender Grammar 4 April 12, 2009 07:30 AM
Conditional sentences with if clause lee ying Practice & Homework 5 January 29, 2009 02:29 PM


All times are GMT -6. The time now is 04:40 PM.

Forum powered by vBulletin® Copyright ©2000 - 2024, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.

X