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Old August 03, 2010, 10:09 AM
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Pero .... ¿Comó es "haber" un verbo auxiliar aunque "estar" no es...?

(Please know that I completely realize that we are "arguing" about semantics here....)
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Old August 03, 2010, 10:22 AM
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Ser and estar are also verbos auxiliares. But they don't form compound forms in verbal tenses, but perífrasis verbales.
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Ser and estar are also verbos auxiliares. But they don't form compound forms in verbal tenses, but perífrasis verbales.
Ahora estoy confudido. No veo. No veo una gran diferencia entre la funcion de haber y estar en los siguientes frases: He salido y Esoy saliendo. Los dos verbos parecen auxiliario pero ¿estoy saliendo es un perifrasis verbal?

This is why linguistics classes at school alway drove me crazy. I think there is a point where I stop understanding. Everyone has their limits I suppose.
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Ahora estoy confudido. No veo. No veo una gran diferencia entre la funcion de haber y estar en los siguientes frases: He salido y Esoy saliendo. Los dos verbos parecen auxiliario pero ¿estoy saliendo es un perifrasis verbal?

This is why linguistics classes at school alway drove me crazy. I think there is a point where I stop understanding. Everyone has their limits I suppose.
And THAT is why I was asking these questions. Again, I believe that in the end it's all about semantics, right?
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Perhaps when you the the word compound verb could be read
as subordinate verb. The verb haber is subordinate to the particple, because the meaning of the verb is in the particple.
I see the point, but haber is the only finite part of the verb, so you also argue that the non-finite part, the participle, is (grammatically) subordinate to it . I think this is not getting us anywhere, because as far as I know, haber is always known as the auxiliary verb in these constructions. Other languages such as French and German use to have and also to be as auxiliary verbs in the active voice, depending on the participle.
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Old August 03, 2010, 11:18 AM
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<<<....wondering how in the world a tiny little question I asked has turned into such a huge *discussion* about semantics...>>>
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<<<....wondering how in the world a tiny little question I asked has turned into such a huge *discussion* about semantics...>>>
Well, that's the fun of turning over a stone - you never know what you may find underneath.

But seriously, it highlights the problem that terminology in languages is problematical.
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But seriously, it highlights the problem that terminology in languages is problematical.
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It must be the heat - I could not see the 'problem' until you changed its colour. Sorry - color.
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Yes, I see. I want to use/enjoy this site and my Spanish books.

Si, ya/lo veo. Quiero usar/disfrutar este sitio y mi libros de Español.
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