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Old May 13, 2011, 08:11 PM
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Look at that lady's dog!

Che si una persona está dando un paseo con una otra persona y una dama tiene un perro, ¿qué debe la persona decir a la otra persona? ¿Es el verbo ver o mirar?
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Old May 13, 2011, 09:55 PM
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Che si una persona está dando un paseo con una otra persona y una dama tiene un perro, ¿qué debe la persona decir a la otra persona? ¿Es el verbo ver o mirar?
Mirar.

Si uno ve a una dama con un perro uno dice "mira la dama con el perro" o "mira el perro de la dama"
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Old May 13, 2011, 09:58 PM
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... con una otra ... (with another)

¡Mira al perro de esa mujer!
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Old May 13, 2011, 10:15 PM
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... con una otra ... (with another)

¡Mira al perro de esa mujer!
¿Por qué hay "al"?
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Old May 14, 2011, 04:23 AM
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Che si una persona ...
¿Che?
¿Che si?
¿Che si una?

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¿Por qué hay "al"?
el/la = cosa, animal no personificado o persona deshumanizada
a/al/a la = persona o animal personificado
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Old May 14, 2011, 08:28 AM
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¿Che?
¿Che si?
¿Che si una?
I was trying to say "Hey, if a person is going on a walk..." What is the correct way to say it?

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el/la = cosa, animal no personificado o persona deshumanizada
a/al/a la = persona o animal personificado
Oh yes, I forgot about that personal "a" preposition.

So, does that mean that chileno's second two examples:
"mira la dama con el perro" o "mira el perro de la dama"
would be insulting to the lady in the first one, and insulting the dog in the second one?
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Old May 14, 2011, 09:45 AM
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I was trying to say "Hey, if a person is going on a walk..." What is the correct way to say it?
I'm not sure even "Hey!" is a correct way to say some 'it', but "Che" is even coarser, as it is something between a vocative and a command. Che Guevara treat everyone using "che" -hence the nickname- and you know what profession he had.

But you wanted to use it, didn't you?

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Oh yes, I forgot about that personal "a" preposition.

So, does that mean that chileno's second two examples:
"mira la dama con el perro" o "mira el perro de la dama"
would be insulting to the lady in the first one, and insulting the dog in the second one?
First one: la+dama+con+el+perro is just the scene, and no lady was insulted by saying that.
Second one: the dog is not personified and it even is a "perro" no matter it is a she-dog. Besides, no dog would take insult for such way of address.
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Old May 14, 2011, 10:06 AM
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¡Ay! ¡Qué confuso!

That's the correct way of saying "How confusing", right?

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but "Che" is even coarser
Hmm. Ok. I always thought it was the same as Hey. In English, Hey, is not really that coarse, nor do I think it would be out of place there. Hey can be used in a friendly manner.
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Che si una persona está dando un .....]
"che" se utiliza únicamente en el sur del continente, específicamente en Argentina y posiblemente en Uruguay.

I'm not familiar with the way it's used, but I don't think it means the same as "hey".

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So, does that mean that chileno's second two examples:
"mira la dama con el perro" o "mira el perro de la dama"
would be insulting to the lady in the first one, and insulting the dog in the second one?
I don't think it's matter of it being insulting or not. I don't think anyone would feel insulted by that, especially because in the spoken language you would hardly notice if the "a" was pronounced or not, since the verb ends in "a" and we don't normally pronounce both "a's" when talking fast.

However, if I were to write those sentences, I would put "a" after the verb:

"mira a la dama con el perro" o "mira al perro de la dama"
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especially because in the spoken language you would hardly notice if the "a" was pronounced or not, since the verb ends in "a" and we don't normally pronounce both "a's" when talking fast.
Really? Is the /a/ lengthened at least? Or does it just sound like a single /a/?

But wouldn't you at least be able to hear the difference between miralperro and miraelperro?
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