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ROBINDESBOIS
January 22, 2011, 07:58 AM
I know that nevertheless is used in a very formal register, and in the written language.
Any other differences?

Perikles
January 22, 2011, 08:41 AM
I know that nevertheless is used in a very formal register, and in the written language.
Any other differences?Yes - however has a wider application:

e.g. an aderb meaning 'no matter how':
However much you beg, the answer is no.

However can also mean nevertheless. If so, it is always followed by a comma, and also preceeded by one if in the middle of a sentence:

Although your argument makes no sense, nevertheless you may have a point.
Although your argument makes no sense, however, you may have a point.

I think we have been over this before, and others have disagreed. :thinking:

ROBINDESBOIS
January 22, 2011, 10:21 AM
He is an idiot nevertheless.
He is an idiot however. ???
The second one sounds funny , doesn´t it?

Perikles
January 22, 2011, 10:29 AM
He is an idiot nevertheless.
He is an idiot, however. ???
The second one sounds funny , doesn´t it?No, it doesn't. You do, however, need a comma before the however. :rolleyes:

Awaken
January 24, 2011, 12:41 PM
Yes - however has a wider application:

e.g. an aderb meaning 'no matter how':
However much you beg, the answer is no.

However can also mean nevertheless. If so, it is always followed by a comma, and also preceeded by one if in the middle of a sentence:

Although your argument makes no sense, nevertheless you may have a point.
Although your argument makes no sense, however, you may have a point.

I think we have been over this before, and others have disagreed. :thinking:

You are probably thinking of the Yet vs. However debate.

Robin: You can read that thread here: http://forums.tomisimo.org/showthread.php?t=9804

It discusses some similar topics that may help with this.

poli
January 24, 2011, 01:48 PM
As mentioned before however has more meanings that nevertheless. The important thing to know that however usually means but (pero).
Nevertheless means sin embargo/ no obstante.

chileno
January 24, 2011, 06:42 PM
He is an idiot nevertheless.
He is an idiot however. ???
The second one sounds funny , doesn´t it?

No, it doesn't. You do, however, need a comma before the however. :rolleyes:

:D

When I was in school it used to be very popular to read some letters circulating in the schools of my city in which there were maybe a paragraph or two and two versions of the same prose but with different punctuation...

You happen to know of any in English, or Spanish for that matter? :)

Perikles
January 25, 2011, 03:20 AM
Compare:

What is this thing called love?
What is this thing called, love? :rolleyes:

chileno
January 25, 2011, 09:24 AM
That's why I was asking... love. :rolleyes:

poli
January 25, 2011, 09:50 AM
Don't. Stop.
Don't stop.

Perikles
January 25, 2011, 10:55 AM
That reminds me of a beautiful triangular scarf which my mother had. On the triangle was written:

Oh please do not kiss me
.. Oh please do not kiss
. ...Oh please do not
. .....Oh please do
. ........Oh please
. .......... Oh

AngelicaDeAlquezar
January 25, 2011, 11:11 AM
¡Qué audaz! :)

chileno
January 25, 2011, 11:55 AM
I almost pee'd my pants! :lol::lol::lol: :applause:

Sancho Panther
February 05, 2011, 05:01 AM
I would say nevertheless implies 'regardless of the foregoing (such-and-such will almost certainly happen)'; whereas however indicates much less certainty.