However and nevertheless
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ROBINDESBOIS
January 22, 2011, 07:58 AM
I know that nevertheless is used in a very formal register, and in the written language.
Any other differences?
Perikles
January 22, 2011, 08:41 AM
I know that nevertheless is used in a very formal register, and in the written language.
Any other differences?Yes - however has a wider application:
e.g. an aderb meaning 'no matter how':
However much you beg, the answer is no.
However can also mean nevertheless. If so, it is always followed by a comma, and also preceeded by one if in the middle of a sentence:
Although your argument makes no sense, nevertheless you may have a point.
Although your argument makes no sense, however, you may have a point.
I think we have been over this before, and others have disagreed. :thinking:
ROBINDESBOIS
January 22, 2011, 10:21 AM
He is an idiot nevertheless.
He is an idiot however. ???
The second one sounds funny , doesn´t it?
Perikles
January 22, 2011, 10:29 AM
He is an idiot nevertheless.
He is an idiot, however. ???
The second one sounds funny , doesn´t it?No, it doesn't. You do, however, need a comma before the however. :rolleyes:
Awaken
January 24, 2011, 12:41 PM
Yes - however has a wider application:
e.g. an aderb meaning 'no matter how':
However much you beg, the answer is no.
However can also mean nevertheless. If so, it is always followed by a comma, and also preceeded by one if in the middle of a sentence:
Although your argument makes no sense, nevertheless you may have a point.
Although your argument makes no sense, however, you may have a point.
I think we have been over this before, and others have disagreed. :thinking:
You are probably thinking of the Yet vs. However debate.
Robin: You can read that thread here: http://forums.tomisimo.org/showthread.php?t=9804
It discusses some similar topics that may help with this.
poli
January 24, 2011, 01:48 PM
As mentioned before however has more meanings that nevertheless. The important thing to know that however usually means but (pero).
Nevertheless means sin embargo/ no obstante.
chileno
January 24, 2011, 06:42 PM
He is an idiot nevertheless.
He is an idiot however. ???
The second one sounds funny , doesn´t it?
No, it doesn't. You do, however, need a comma before the however. :rolleyes:
:D
When I was in school it used to be very popular to read some letters circulating in the schools of my city in which there were maybe a paragraph or two and two versions of the same prose but with different punctuation...
You happen to know of any in English, or Spanish for that matter? :)
Perikles
January 25, 2011, 03:20 AM
Compare:
What is this thing called love?
What is this thing called, love? :rolleyes:
chileno
January 25, 2011, 09:24 AM
That's why I was asking... love. :rolleyes:
poli
January 25, 2011, 09:50 AM
Don't. Stop.
Don't stop.
Perikles
January 25, 2011, 10:55 AM
That reminds me of a beautiful triangular scarf which my mother had. On the triangle was written:
Oh please do not kiss me
.. Oh please do not kiss
. ...Oh please do not
. .....Oh please do
. ........Oh please
. .......... Oh
AngelicaDeAlquezar
January 25, 2011, 11:11 AM
¡Qué audaz! :)
chileno
January 25, 2011, 11:55 AM
I almost pee'd my pants! :lol::lol::lol: :applause:
Sancho Panther
February 05, 2011, 05:01 AM
I would say nevertheless implies 'regardless of the foregoing (such-and-such will almost certainly happen)'; whereas however indicates much less certainty.
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