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Xinfu
July 19, 2013, 09:26 PM
-There's more to you and your brothers than it at first seems apparent to the eye.

At the time the speaker speaks this line, the act of seeming should be in the past, why not SEEMED but SEEMS?

Rusty
July 19, 2013, 10:43 PM
I would agree that 'seemed apparent' better captures the meaning.

Simplified:
There's more to you than at first seemed apparent.

The phrase 'at first' calls for the past tense form.

chileno
July 19, 2013, 10:53 PM
But it can be used in the present too. Right Rusty?

Rusty
July 19, 2013, 11:02 PM
Correct! It depends on what you're trying to say.
If you're referring to the past, you'd use 'seemed'.
If I'm talking about the present, I can certainly say "There's more to you than at first seems apparent."

chileno
July 20, 2013, 05:29 AM
Thank you. It reminded me of the transformers back in the 80's (cartoons) ;)

Xinfu
July 21, 2013, 10:34 AM
Correct! It depends on what you're trying to say.
If you're referring to the past, you'd use 'seemed'.
If I'm talking about the present, I can certainly say "There's more to you than at first seems apparent."
But even referring to the present, didn't SEEM still happen in the past?

Rusty
July 21, 2013, 11:17 AM
Not necessarily. Seeming can persist. 'It seemed' can progress to 'it seems' and 'will seem' in the future.
It depends on what you're trying to say.

Xinfu
July 21, 2013, 07:03 PM
Not necessarily. Seeming can persist. 'It seemed' can progress to 'it seems' and 'will seem' in the future.
It depends on what you're trying to say.

Thank you, Rusty. But isn't AT FRIST a past time phrase?

Rusty
July 22, 2013, 04:55 AM
No, 'at first' can be used with a present tense verb as well as with a past tense verb.

chileno
July 22, 2013, 07:09 AM
Or any other tense...

Xinfu
July 22, 2013, 11:22 AM
"There's more to you than at first seems apparent." .

Thank you, Rusty.

But when does/did this SEEM take place if not in the past?

AngelicaDeAlquezar
July 22, 2013, 11:55 AM
"When you look at it for the first time" --That's a present. ;)

chileno
July 22, 2013, 02:25 PM
What is your native language?
:)