Argentina vs Mexico

[Neophyte]

Today Argentina is playing against Mexico in Germany. Who do you want to win?

I think Argentina will win ;)

[Tomisimo]

Unfortunately Argentina won. :( The last goal by Argentina was pretty immpressive though.

[pogo]

i was hoping Mexico would win, i just hope Germany put Argentina out in the next round.

[ChadH]

Yo espero gana Inglaterra el mundial este ano! ;D

[pogo]

Yo espero gana Inglaterra el mundial este ano!

i think this should be

espero Inglaterra gana el mundial este año

Hopefully someone else can confirm this.


Inglaterra contra Portugal este sábado será un partido diffícil, espero que ganaremos pero Scolari ha vencido Inglaterra dos veces y no tenemos Owen.

[Tomisimo]

Yo espero gana que gane Inglaterra el mundial este ano!

i think this should be

espero que Inglaterra gane el mundial este año

Hopefully someone else can confirm this.


Inglaterra contra Portugal este sábado será un partido diffícil, espero que ganaremos ganemos pero Scolari ha vencido Inglaterra dos veces y no tenemos a Owen.
:)

[pogo]

gracias por las correcíones, ¿ quién quieres ganar el mundial ?

[Tomisimo]

gracias por las correcíones, ¿ quién quieres que gane el mundial ?

No soy inglés, pero estaría contento si ganara Inglaterra o quizá Alemania.

Referente a las correcciones, todas tienen que ver con lo que se llama el subjuntivo. ¿Ya has estudiado eso?

[pogo]

i've done a bit on the subjunctive, i know how to conjugate in it (well the present subjunctive) but i'm never quite sure when to use it

[Tomisimo]

I'll give you a super-simple explaination for using the subjuctive, so you can start using it. Remember this is way over-simplified.

Let's look at an example.

"I want to go to the store" - "Quiero ir a la tienda"

"I want" is conjugated and "to go" is in the infinitive, just like in Spanish. Now let's get two people involved in going to the store.

"I want you to go to the store" - "Quiero que vayas a la tienda"

Since there's two people involved (I'm doing the wanting and you're supposed to go to the store), we need to switch to the subjunctive and conjugate that infinitive.

So here's your homework (you thought you'd get away without homework did you?):

Take these two patterns in English:

I want you to do something
I hope you do something

and whenever you go to say something in English that fits these patterns, for instance:
I want her to come to the club tonight or
I hope he doesn't crash,

try to say it in spanish. Even if you don't know all the vocabulary, practice the structure, which would be:
Yo quiero que ella venga ...
Yo espero que el no "crash in subjunctive" (choque).

Another way to practice is instead of thinking

"I hope she comes" think "I hope that she come"
"I hope he doesn't crash => "I hope that he not crash"

I hope that helps you :) (Espero que eso te ayude)

[pogo]

thanks Tomisimo !!

that certainly makes things alot clearer particularly with the quiero ir and quiero que because although i knew quiero que signalled the use of the subjunctive i wasn't sure when you use it but your example really helped.

i've also found this page quite useful http://www.elearnspanishlanguage.com/grammar/verbs/subjunctive-uv.html

it has lots of example clauses that signal the use of the subjunctive although i think it'd take a while to remember all of them.

[Tomisimo]

Good find on that site. It looks like they have a very good description of how to use the subjunctive. :)