Lemma changes

[lingos]

hello

from poner derives puesto (noun) and participle makes puesto
from cerrar, cierro, etc
from poder, puedo

I found this transformation of lemma is quite common in spanish, not only in conjugation of verbs, but in nouns that derive from verbs, etc

are there any rules or mnemonics to predict how the lemma changes in each occasion?

thanks

[AngelicaDeAlquezar]

I suggest you buy a verb conjugation manual so you can see the logic about conjugation of irregular verbs and learn to do it yourself. I insist on a manual, because learning by heart every conjugated verb means a rather useless effort.

[Rusty]

Stem-changing verbs, or boot verbs, are the most common irregularity in verb conjugation. There is no way to predict when a verb will be irregular. All must be memorized.

There are four classes of stem-changers:
those that shift e to ie
those that shift e to i
those that shift o to ue
and those that shift u to ue

[lingos]

thanks
any recommendation on verb conjugation manual?

[Tomisimo]

501 Spanish Verbs by Christopher Kendris is a classic. It's what I used to learn verb conjugations. The first few pages explaining the how the different tenses work are more valuable than the rest of the book. :)

[AngelicaDeAlquezar]

Larousse's Conjugación Lengua Española (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/970221355X/ref=s9_simx_gw_s6_p14_i1?pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_s=center-1&pf_rd_r=0SH5V7NCEM7J67WATZWX&pf_rd_t=101&pf_rd_p=470938131&pf_rd_i=507846) is available in Amazon, and I think it works pretty well. There must be some similar ones by other publishers of course.

[brute]

501 Spanish Verbs by Christopher Kendris is a classic. It's what I used to learn verb conjugations. The first few pages explaining the how the different tenses work are more valuable than the rest of the book. :)

thank you, I shall buy a copy of this book just for the first few pages.

Tres preguntas tontas.
¿Por qué tienen todas las idiomas exactamente 501 verbos irregulares?
¿Por qué son los verbos los mas utilizados siempre irregulares?
¿Cual especie de animal es una lemma? (¿llama, lémur o lemming?)

[bobjenkins]

Stem-changing verbs, or boot verbs, are the most common irregularity in verb conjugation. There is no way to predict when a verb will be irregular. All must be memorized.

There are four classes of stem-changers:
those that shift e to ie
those that shift e to i
those that shift o to ue
and those that shift u to ue

Buena información. Creo que despues de aprender estas reglas para conjugando los verbos hacerse natural mientras se está hablando (becomes natural when speaking)

[irmamar]

thank you, I shall buy a copy of this book just for the first few pages.

Tres preguntas tontas.
¿Por qué tienen todas las idiomas exactamente 501 verbos irregulares?

Are you sure? :confused:

¿Por qué son los verbos los mas utilizados siempre irregulares?

Porque son los que más se usan. Se ha estudiado la derivación de las palabras y se ha establecido unas reglas, pero la más fácil de recordar es "la ley del mínimo esfuerzo". Sucede con las palabras, no te miento. Cuanto más se use una palabra, más normas de transformación va a sufrir, también la del mínimo esfuerzo. :)

¿Cual especie de animal es una lemma? (¿llama, lémur o lemming?)

Un lemma (lema en español) no es un animal, es una entrada de un diccionario. I don't know if in English it is an animal :thinking:



I hope it'll be helpful

[brute]

I hope it'll be helpful

These were meant as a joke. There are several books in the same series entitled 501 irregular verbs in; French, Spanish, German, Italian etc. These are not necessarily full lists and probably contain many composite verbs. you would think that well-used verbs would be the most used ones.

I am still not sure exactly what a lemma is, but two of them together(dilemmas) have horns. There is an expression "To be stuck on the horns of a dilemma" which means to be trapped between two alternative courses of action. "Between a rock and a hard place" is somewhat similar.

[poli]

These were meant as a joke. There are several books in the same series entitled 501 irregular verbs in; French, Spanish, German, Italian etc. These are not necessarily full lists and probably contain many composite verbs. you would think that well-used verbs would be the most used ones.

I am still not sure exactly what a lemma is, but two of them together(dilemmas) have horns. There is an expression "To be stuck on the horns of a dilemma" which means to be trapped between two alternative courses of action. "Between a rock and a hard place" is somewhat similar.
That's a good joke:applause:
In English, which is often simple and pronoun directed, has some really
amazing irregular verbs:
to be
to be able to (conjugated I can,you can or I am able to you are able to etc, but never to can--that's a bird:)

English is a real piece of work too.

[irmamar]

These were meant as a joke. There are several books in the same series entitled 501 irregular verbs in; French, Spanish, German, Italian etc. These are not necessarily full lists and probably contain many composite verbs. you would think that well-used verbs would be the most used ones.

I am still not sure exactly what a lemma is, but two of them together(dilemmas) have horns. There is an expression "To be stuck on the horns of a dilemma" which means to be trapped between two alternative courses of action. "Between a rock and a hard place" is somewhat similar.

I realized you were joking (although I didn't understand the joke about lemma -now I do-). Anyway, I wanted to answer :)

That's a good joke:applause:
In English, which is often simple and pronoun directed, has some really
amazing irregular verbs:
to be
to be able to (conjugated I can,you can or I am able to you are able to etc, but never to can--that's a bird:)

English is a real piece of work too.

I assure you that I don't understand your joke. A can is a "pato", isn't it? Do you mean that "you're able to, but you can't be a can?" something like this? :confused:

[poli]

to can (these two words don't go together in English- it's to be able to) sounds like toucan the South American bird with a huge colorful beak.

[irmamar]

to can (these two words don't go together in English- it's to be able to) sounds like toucan the South American bird with a huge colorful beak.

Oh, I know, a "tucán". I understand.

Un chiste un poco malo... ;)

[CrOtALiTo]

Larousse's Conjugación Lengua Española (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/970221355X/ref=s9_simx_gw_s6_p14_i1?pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_s=center-1&pf_rd_r=0SH5V7NCEM7J67WATZWX&pf_rd_t=101&pf_rd_p=470938131&pf_rd_i=507846) is available in Amazon, and I think it works pretty well. There must be some similar ones by other publishers of course.

Larousse's is one brand of one dictionary from Mexico right.


I don't know, now I like use the much the word one instead of the word that there should to be.

[brute]

:):)501 Spanish Verbs by Christopher Kendris is a classic. It's what I used to learn verb conjugations. The first few pages explaining the how the different tenses work are more valuable than the rest of the book. :)
Siguiendo sus indicaciones, compré este libro hier. Es muy utíl con explicaciones claras y simples. No es caro y contien un CD gratuito. Gracias Tomísimo.