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Ferlas
June 29, 2009, 04:13 PM
Hola, me llamo Michael. y soy nuevo de estos forums. (I don't know how to say forums in spanish). Hace tres años que yo estudio español, y me lo gusta, mucho.

I'm about to be a freshman in high school, and I am going into spanish 3. I'd really like to learn it, I'm very interested in becoming fluent. Also, if anyone could correct me when my grammar is incorrect, it would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks!
Gracias!

CrOtALiTo
June 29, 2009, 04:19 PM
Hola, me llamo Michael. y soy nuevo de estos forums. (I don't know how to say forums in spanish). Hace tres años que yo estudio español, y me lo gusta, mucho.

I'm about to be a freshman in high school, and I am going into spanish 3. I'd really like to learn it, I'm very interested in becoming fluent. Also, if anyone could correct me when my grammar is incorrect, it would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks!
Gracias!

Hello Michel, How are you? I hope you are fine, my name is Jorge Luis, I'm studying the English since most of 1 year ago the English, the word Forums is translated into of the Spanish as Foros.

I hope you stay in the forums will be enjoyable.

Ferlas
June 29, 2009, 04:21 PM
Oh, thank you.

And yes, I hope to learn a lot from these forums.

Rusty
June 29, 2009, 05:25 PM
Welcome to the forums!!

¡¡Bienvenido a los foros!!

Hola, me llamo Michael, y soy nuevo en estos foros. Hace tres años que (yo) estudio español, y me lo gusta mucho.

lee ying
June 29, 2009, 06:17 PM
welcome feel free to ask us whenever you want to do it. I live in mexico
. don't hesitate to ask us, ok :D welcome again.

CrOtALiTo
June 29, 2009, 07:32 PM
Welcome you feeling you free to ask us whatever you need to know about the Spanish. I live in Mexico, therefore
you don't hesitate to ask us, ok :D welcome again.

I made some corrects in your post, I hope to this don't bothering you.:)

Rusty
June 29, 2009, 08:46 PM
welcome feel free to ask us whenever you want to do it. I live in mexico
. don't hesitate to ask us, ok :D welcome again.Corrections to this post follow:

Welcome! Feel free to ask us whatever you want (to ask us).
I live in Mexico. Don't hesitate to ask us, OK? Welcome, again.

I made some corrections to your post. I hope to this doesn't bothering you.:)

Feel free = Siéntete libre (we never use 'you' in the imperative)
... whatever you need to know about Spanish (no article before Spanish)
= ... cualquier cosa que quieras saber del español

Ferlas
June 29, 2009, 08:50 PM
@ Rusty: I know this is getting off topic, but why don't you ever use 'you', (2nd person, singular) in the imperfect? In my Spanish 2 Class, we learned commands through the 2nd Person, but you never use this when you're telling somebody to do something?

Tomisimo
June 29, 2009, 11:28 PM
@ Rusty: I know this is getting off topic, but why don't you ever use 'you', (2nd person, singular) in the imperfect? In my Spanish 2 Class, we learned commands through the 2nd Person, but you never use this when you're telling somebody to do something?
At one point you wrote "imperfect", but I think you meant "imperative".

Anyway, the imperative is the same as any other mood/tense in Spanish. The subject (personal) pronouns are only necessary for extra emphasis or for distinguishing who you are talking about, if it is not clear by context. Since with most commands you are directly addressing someone, it will always be clear who you are referring to with the imperative verb form, thus the subject pronoun is not necessary. That is why you hardly ever will hear a native speaker use the subject pronouns with the imperative or commands. However, there can by cases where you would use the pronoun for emphasis, for example, if your two children disobeyed and made a mess, you might command one of them to go to their room, and the other one to clean up the mess: "Tú, vete a tu cuarto, y tú, limpia este cochinero."

irmamar
June 30, 2009, 12:41 AM
¡Bienvenido a los foros, Ferlas! :) :rose:

Rusty
June 30, 2009, 12:41 AM
I was trying to help Crotalito understand that in English we rarely include the 2nd-person subject pronoun 'you' when using the imperative.

Contrast 'Sign on the dotted line' with 'You sign on the dotted line'.
Compare 'Give me a good reason to stay' with 'You give me a good reason to stay'.

Do you see the difference? The examples on the left are clearly commands, but the ones on the right could just as easily be interpreted as simple statements (not commands).
If I were to ask, "Where do I sign?" which of the two examples in the first line above would you use? You would choose the statement: You sign on the dotted line. Likewise, if I didn't want to go out into the cold, which excuse could I use from the second line above? The statement on the right: "You give me a good reason to stay."

As you can see, the only written difference between the English imperative and the 2nd-person, simple present tense is the presence of the subject pronoun 'you'. That's why I mentioned to Crotalito that we don't use 'you' in the imperative.

CrOtALiTo
June 30, 2009, 12:53 AM
Thank you.

But I didn't understand nothing.

Rusty
June 30, 2009, 01:14 AM
You didn't understand anything? What part can I explain better?

Ferlas
June 30, 2009, 09:49 AM
@ Tomisimo and Rusty: Oh, I see, thanks.

@ Irmamar: Gracias!

Fazor
June 30, 2009, 10:09 AM
¡Un tarde bienvenido a Ferlas!

One thing I'll add about the omission of personal pronouns is that when I was in school, my teachers would have thrown a fit if I left them out. Though I took spanish for a total of about 6 or seven years, I didn't know they were often omitted until I came here.

In school, check with your teacher and see which they want. I suspect the ones that want you to include them are just trying to give you practice reinforcing the association of the pronoun and the conjugation. Other teachers will appreciate you writing in a more native style. And sometimes a teacher will mark you wrong if they think you omitted it out of error, but if they know you are doing it on purpose, they'll be happy to allow it.

Ambarina
June 30, 2009, 10:12 AM
¡Bienvenido!

Jessica
June 30, 2009, 12:04 PM
I'm a freshman too! ^_^ Welcome!