Haya vs Había vs Hube
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wafflestomp
June 09, 2010, 06:03 PM
Can anyone explain the distinctions between these words?
I've tried to look them up myself but I've gotten nothing but garbage... half of the sites I looked on say it's from the verb "hacer".
LibraryLady
June 09, 2010, 06:17 PM
These look like conjugations to create the perfect tenses: haber + participle
haya + participle : 1st or 3rd person singular present perfect subjunctive
haya hablado: I have spoken...but I think there needs to be some doubt or uncertainty to use the subjunctive
había + participle: 1st or 3rd person singular pluperfect indicative
Había hablado: I had spoken
hube + participle: 1st person preterite perfect indicative(but I didn't think this form was used much anymore)
hube hablado: I had spoken
They may mean more than that but this is what I instantly thought of when I saw your post. Somebody please correct me if I am wrong :)
Rusty
June 09, 2010, 06:21 PM
Haber is the infinitive.
Type in conj:haber in the upper left-hand corner of this site to get all the conjugations of haber. You'll find which tense or mood corresponds to the three words you listed.
Haber is often used much like the helping verb have in English. Type in a verb you're familiar with and look at all the 'perfect' tenses (8-14). Each has a conjugated form of haber with the past participle of the verb you typed.
EDIT: LibraryLady gave good information, as far as I could tell from my brief look.
poli
June 09, 2010, 06:21 PM
I can give you examples and I think that may be easier than explaining
the linguistics of it.
Había una vez= once upon a time.
Hubo un accidente= there was an accident
Haya is the subjunctive of hay and follows the rules of the present subjuctive. Creo que haya Mcha que no lean los periodiódicos.=I think there are many people who may not read the newspapers.
LibraryLady
June 09, 2010, 06:29 PM
Haber is the infinitive.
Type in conj:haber in the upper left-hand corner of this site to get all the conjugations of haber. You'll find which tense or mood corresponds to the three words you listed.
Haber is often used much like the helping verb have in English. Type in a verb you're familiar with and look at all the 'perfect' tenses (8-14). Each has a conjugated form of haber with the past participle of the verb you typed.
EDIT: LibraryLady gave good information, as far as I could tell from my brief look.
Rusty, what are the correct tense names? I can't see my mistakes even after looking them up in my verb book.
Rusty
June 09, 2010, 06:36 PM
I edited my post after you read it. I didn't take the time to look up all the English names, but the Spanish ones are different. Sorry about the confusion.
LibraryLady
June 09, 2010, 06:51 PM
No problem. I'm just glad I haven't been learning them by the wrong names :)
wafflestomp
June 09, 2010, 06:51 PM
I know about haber and the past participles already, but my question was on those 3 forms of haber.
So había is sort of like an imperfect? Hube is the past? And haya is the subjunctive?
What about hubería? Is that would have?
Él hubería conducido si había(there were) más semáforos.
Is that correct?
LibraryLady
June 09, 2010, 07:45 PM
I don't see those forms you listed in the thread title except in the perfect tenses.
From my understanding they are conjugated differently in the tenses that aren't perfect.
present subjunctive:
Yo/él haga
preterit indicative:
yo hice
él hizo
imprefect indicative:
yo/él hacía
conditional:
yo/él haría
Ok, I think haya habia and hubiera are for the verb Hay
Ojalá que no haya embotellamiento = I hope there won't be a traffic jam.
Ojalá que hubiera piscina en el hotel = I wish there were a pool at the hotel
Habia mucho gente en el parque = There were many people in the park
I hope this helps. I'm starting to confuse myself :)
chileno
June 09, 2010, 07:56 PM
I know about haber and the past participles already, but my question was on those 3 forms of haber.
So había is sort of like an imperfect? Hube is the past? And haya is the subjunctive?
What about hubería? Is that would have?
Él hubería conducido si había(there were) más semáforos.
Is that correct?
"habría" = would have
subjunctive past.
hubiera - hubiese
wafflestomp
June 09, 2010, 08:54 PM
Can anyone give a sentence example with hubiera?
Rusty
June 09, 2010, 08:54 PM
I know about haber and the past participles already, but my question was on those 3 forms of haber.When used by themselves, you're talking about the 'there is' form of haber. This form is called haber impersonal. It is always used in the third person singular conjugation. In the present tense it is hay. It is había in the imperfect, hubo in the preterite, and habrá in the future tenses. In the moods, it is habría in the conditional, haya in the present subjunctive, hubiera/hubiese in the imperfect subjunctive, and haya in the imperative.
These all translate to "there + (a form of 'to be')" in English.
hay = there is
había = there was, were, used to be
hubo = there was, were
habrá = there will be
habría = there would be
haya = there be
hubiera/hubiese = there were
haya = let there be
Si hubiera suficiente libros, podríamos tener una biblioteca.
If there were enough books, we could have a library.
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