Viva México

[CrOtALiTo]

¡Viva la Virgen de Guadalupe!, ¡Viva la América española!, ¡Viva Fernando VII!.


¡Mexicanos!

¡Viva nuestra Independencia!

¡Viva Hidalgo!

¡Viva Morelos!

¡Vivan los héroes que nos dieron patria!

¡Viva nuestra libertad!

¡Viva la justicia!

¡Viva la democracia!

¡Viva la unidad de todos los mexicanos!

¡Viva México!

¡Viva México!

¡Viva México!
:applause::showoff:

VIVA MEXICO SEÑORES.

[lee ying]

Viva !!!!!!! Estuvo bueno el fetejo ^_^!!!

[CrOtALiTo]

Si realmente estuvo bien padre.

Ahora si se lucieron los mexicanos man, nunca había vista tal evento en México solo en las olimpiadas, además la transmisión de Televisa fue buena.

Lo bueno que no llovió haya porque aquí llueve a cantaros por Karl.

No pude salir a ningún lado tu fuiste al zócalo?

[poli]

Me alegro que el grito era un grito feliz este año bicentenial de la independencia. ¡Que viva un México fuerte y seguro!

[JPablo]

¡Así sea! ¡Viva México! :applause: :D

[AngelicaDeAlquezar]

This is our Declaration of Independence. No political document these days can be written by such educated people and with such a fine prose.

La Nación Mexicana que, por trescientos años, ni ha tenido voluntad propia, ni libre el uso de la voz, sale hoy de la opresión en que ha vivido.

Los heroicos esfuerzos de sus hijos han sido coronados; y está consumada la empresa, eternamente memorable, que un genio, superior a toda admiración y elogio, amor y gloria de su Patria, principió en Iguala, prosiguió y llevó al cabo, arrollando obstáculos casi insuperables.

Restituida, pues esta parte del septentrión al ejercicio de cuantos derechos le concedió el Autor de la Naturaleza. Y reconocen por inenajenables y sagrados las naciones cultas de la tierra; en libertad de constituirse del modo que más convenga a su felicidad; y con representantes que puedan manifestar su voluntad y sus designios; comienza a hacer uso de tan preciosos dones, y declara solemnemente, por medio de la Junta Suprema del Imperio, que es Nación Soberana, e independiente de la antigua España, con quien, en lo sucesivo, no mantendrá otra unión que la de una amistad estrecha, en los términos que prescribieren los tratados: que entablará relaciones amistosas con las demás potencias, ejecutando, respecto de ellas, cuantos actos pueden y están en posesión de ejecutar las otras naciones soberanas: que va a constituirse, con arreglo a las bases que en el Plan de Iguala y Tratado de Córdoba estableció, sabiamente, el primer Jefe del Ejército Imperial de las Tres Garantías; y en fin que sostendrá a todo trance y con el sacrificio de los haberes y vidas de sus individuos, (si fuere necesario) esta solemne declaración, hecha en la capital del Imperio a veinte y ocho de septiembre del año de mil ochocientos veinte y uno, primero de la Independencia Mexicana.



{||} | Firmantes |
{|}1. Agustín de Iturbide.
2. Antonio Obispo de la Puebla.
3. Lugar de la firma de O’ Donojú.
4. Manuel de la Bárcena.
5. Matías Monteagudo.
6. José Yánez.
7. Licenciado Juan Francisco de Azcárate.
8. Juan José Espinosa de los Monteros.
9. José María Fagoaga.
10. José Miguel Guridi y Alcocer.
11. El Marqués de Salvatierra.
12. El Conde de Casa de Heras Soto. | 13. Juan Bautista Lobo.
14. Francisco Manuel Sánchez de Tagle.
15. Antonio de Gama y Córdoba.
16. José Manuel Sartorio.
17. Manuel Velásquez de León.
18. Manuel Montes Argüelles.
19. Manuel de la Sota Riva.
20. El Marqués de San Juan de Rayas.
21. José Ignacio García Illueca.
22. José María de Bustamante.
23. José María Cervantes y Velasco.
24. Juan Cervantes y Padilla. | 25. José Manuel Velásquez de la Cadena.
26. Juan de Horbegoso.
27. Nicolás Campero.
28. El Conde de Jala y de Regla.
29. José María de Echevers y Valdivieso.
30. Manuel Martínez Mansilla.
31. Juan Bautista Raz y Guzmán.
32. José María de Jaúregui.
33. José Rafael Suarez Pereda.
34. Anastasio Bustamante.
35. Isidro Ignacio de Icaza.
36. Juan José Espinosa de los Monteros / Vocal secretario

[JPablo]

Fine writing! :applause:

But what about the date?

He says 28 September 1821? :thinking:

[AngelicaDeAlquezar]

@Pablo: Independence war started on September 16th 1810, but it ended in 1821 (your "paisanos" didn't make it easy). ;)
We celebrate the start of a fight that ended successfully for us.

[JPablo]

Mmmmh... I think they were pretty much "all and the same" although you can say the fight was between "criollos" and "peninsulares" (all of them of Spanish ancestrors).

The positive thing is that they got freed from tyranny and oppression, much like in the French Revolution...

But I am no expert on these things... you may correct me if I am wrong...

(Mis "paisanos" como le digo a Irmamar en el thread de la Generación del 98 tienden a ser un poquito fraticidas... por aquello de Caín y Abel...) "¿Quién mató a Caín?" ;) :)

[AngelicaDeAlquezar]

It was pretty much a fight for property and political rights (whose privileges were mostly reserved for Spanish born citizens). I think they would have negotiated with Fernando VII, but they found the pretext to get on top of power as Spain was busy with Pepe Botella. The cause for abolishing slavery recruited support from lower classes.

I don't know what the motivation for war within Spain can be, but this one, since it was imperial country, had to be fought anyway.

[JPablo]

Muy interesante...

[AngelicaDeAlquezar]

Please note I wrote an oversimplification... for documents on Mexican history, you can visit the official Bicentenario website (http://www.bicentenario.gob.mx/bdbic/). :)

[JPablo]

Yup! That is understood... (In many cases, too, history is always written from the viewpoint of those who won the final battles... so one has to be aware of the actual data, and the opinions... no matter who the historian is...)

[CrOtALiTo]

Hello.

Good Afternoon.

I have read the last post of Angelica, and I reminded that I have a electronic copy of that document in some hard disk in my office.

Well this is the story.

Around of 10 years ago, when I was in the high school, the history teacher asked us a document related of the history Mexico, and well just I had a friend in the city Mexico, when he was working was in the government as Data file, and well just he works was keep the old files in electronic in a computer, he was that scanning all the old file of the government and later keep them in the computer, then I talked with him, and I told him about my homework, well just I needed to get a A in the quiz, therefore, I asked him a great favour, an unforgettable favour for me, and just I asked him a copy of the document made in the end of the independence, and he wasn't gives me nothing, but with a coffee, he decided help me, he gave me the historical documents, the letter independence.

Then no ones knew about this, because he could has loss his job in that moment, well just only I used that document and it was in the school where I showed my homework and I got A for a excellent work.

Since then, I keep in some hard disk the copy, I don't remember exactly where is that.

But I will search it again.

I don't know if David can let me place the document here or perhaps I could have troubles for that document.

[lee ying]

I think you can do it =) there´s not a rule to post homeworks =)

[CrOtALiTo]

Still I am searching between my tools.

[lee ying]

good ^_ ^

[explorator]

Fernando VII was the worst king we have ever had. His kingdom marks the end of our ancient power in the world and starts our actual discredit. He didn't know how to manage the chalenges of the American revolutions and the industrialization. Today's weak Spain was born then. From that disastrous days at the begining of the XIXth century, many people started to think that having spanish blood was no more an honour but a discredit and then they wanted to create their own countries for not to be called Spaniards anymore.

I'm sorry of my digression about the spanish decadence. By the way, do you learn in Mexico that the actual Mexico D.F. became into the wealthiest town in the western hemisphere under the Spanish oppression. Please don't take this as an offence, it is just the opposiste thing: if you were the richest then, you are able to be the richest now. From the botton of my heart: ¡Viva México!

[poli]

No solo España. En el fin del siglo diecicoho hasta la primera querra mundial todos los grandes imperios perdieron sus colónias por la maladministración y gula de la madrepatria. Ahora la fuerza imperial existe pero en una forma más cultural y económica que monarquial y de la política.

A proposito, hoy mismo DF tiene riquesa. Un tercio de esa ciudad está bien forada (casi la poblacion de Madrid). Lamentablamente los otros dos tercios viven en pobresa.

[CrOtALiTo]

Fernando VII was the worst king we have ever had. His kingdom marks the end of our ancient power in the world and starts our actual discredit. He didn't know how to manage the chalenges of the American revolutions and the industrialization. Today's weak Spain was born then. From that disastrous days at the begining of the XIXth century, many people started to think that having spanish blood was no more an honour but a discredit and then they wanted to create their own countries for not to be called Spaniards anymore.

I'm sorry of my digression about the spanish decadence. By the way, do you learn in Mexico that the actual Mexico D.F. became into the wealthiest town in the western hemisphere under the Spanish oppression. Please don't take this as an offence, it is just the opposiste thing: if you were the richest then, you are able to be the richest now. From the botton of my heart: ¡Viva México!

Your commentary doesn't offending me, to the contrary that's help me to learn more about the past of my country.

Therefore, I believe necessary to write more consecutively in the forums about the decadence of our country in past time.