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Old January 20, 2009, 03:28 PM
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Spanish Estar vs ser / Pred vs imp & subjunctive

Hoy martes estoy en el aeropuerto y tengo que pasar la aduana. El aduana me dice que ___(1)___(PONER) la maleta encima del mostrador. También quiere que le ___(2)___(DECIR) hacia donde me dirijo. Me impaciento y le pido que ___(3)___(HACER) los trámites cuanto antes para que mi vuelo no ___(4)___(SALIR) sin mí. Él me contesta que no cree que ___(5)___(VALER) la pena ponerme así. Todavía no han empezado a embarcar. A lo mejor no lo ___(6)___(SABER) él, pero no hay nada que ___(7)___(PODER) yo hacer ahora. Tendré que esperar mientras él ___(8)___(VERIFICAR) los documentos.

I believe it is.
1. Ponga
2. Dija.
3. Haga.
4. Salga.
5. Vala.
6. Sabe
7. puede
8. Verifica

Correct?

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Yo ___(1)___ bien procupada esta mañana porque mi hija ___(2)___ muy pálida. Espero que no ___(3)___ nada seria.
1 Choices (era, estaba, fue, estuvo) estaba.
2 Choices (era, estaba, fue, estuvo) estuvo.
3 Choices (era, estaba, fue, estuvo) sea.

Mi hijo menor me frustra tanto.____(1)____ un muchacho listo pero perezoso. Nunca ____(2)____ listo cuando tenemos que irnos.
1 Choices (es, esta, sea, este) es.
2 Choices (es, esta, sea, este) esta.

____(1)____ muy aburrido porque este libro____(2)____tan aburrido.
1 Choices (estoy, soy, sea, este) estoy.
2 Choices (estoy, soy, sea, este) es.

Saca tu pasaporte. Acaso ellos lo ________ (IR) a pedir. Ya me lo pidieron a mí.
- vayan

¿El impreso? Tal vez yo lo ___(1)____ (TENER), pero lo dudo. Quizás mi esposa lo ____(2)____ (TENER). Creo que se lo di y ella siempre guarda bien los documentos.
1 tengo
2 tenga


Ahora no sé qué debo hacer, pero a lo mejor el aduana me ________(ENSEÑAR) los trámites.
- ensene

How I do?

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Old January 20, 2009, 03:39 PM
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Don't count on me. I might've corrected these wrong

1. Ponga pongo
2. Dija.
3. Haga. hago
4. Salga.
5. Vala.
6. Sabe
7. puede puedo
8. Verifica

may I ask you this: should these all be in the yo form? if yes then I think they should all end in -o. I don't know

I'm gonna skip some because I don't know how to correct you confusing

¿El impreso? Tal vez yo lo ___(1)____ (TENER), pero lo dudo. Quizás mi esposa lo ____(2)____ (TENER). Creo que se lo di y ella siempre guarda bien los documentos.
1 tengo
2 tenga I don't think it's tenga. it's tengo. I've never heard of tenga. the gender of this doesn't change. there's no gender.
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Old January 20, 2009, 04:15 PM
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1. Ponga
2. Dija. (use subjunctive mood, present tense, 1st person)
3. Haga.
4. Salga.
5. Vala. (use subjunctive mood, present tense, 3rd person)
6. Sabe (use subjunctive mood, present tense, 3rd person)
7. puede (use subjunctive mood, present tense, 1st person)
8. Verifica (use subjunctive mood, present tense, 3rd person)

Yo ___(1)___ bien procupada esta mañana porque mi hija ___(2)___ muy pálida. Espero que no ___(3)___ nada seria.
1 Choices (era, estaba, fue, estuvo) estaba.
2 Choices (era, estaba, fue, estuvo) estuvo.
3 Choices (era, estaba, fue, estuvo) sea.

Mi hijo menor me frustra tanto.____(1)____ un muchacho listo pero perezoso. Nunca ____(2)____ listo cuando tenemos que irnos.
1 Choices (es, esta, sea, este) es.
2 Choices (es, esta, sea, este) esta.

____(1)____ muy aburrido porque este libro____(2)____tan aburrido.
1 Choices (estoy, soy, sea, este) estoy.
2 Choices (estoy, soy, sea, este) es.

Saca tu pasaporte. Acaso ellos lo ________ (IR) a pedir. Ya me lo pidieron a mí.
- vayan

¿El impreso? Tal vez yo lo ___(1)____ (TENER), pero lo dudo. Quizás mi esposa lo ____(2)____ (TENER). Creo que se lo di y ella siempre guarda bien los documentos.
1 tengo (could be tenga, depends on the perception of the speaker)
2 tenga

Ahora no sé qué debo hacer, pero a lo mejor el aduana me ________(ENSEÑAR) los trámites.
- enseñe
See above.

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Old January 20, 2009, 04:47 PM
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wow thank you all very much for helping me out
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Old January 20, 2009, 05:18 PM
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*sigh* see what I mean
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Old January 20, 2009, 05:42 PM
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on the 1st one is #8 really subjuctive?
Yo ___(1)___ bien procupada esta mañana porque mi hija ___(2)___ muy pálida. Espero que no ___(3)___ nada seria.
1 Choices (era, estaba, fue, estuvo) estaba.
2 Choices (era, estaba, fue, estuvo) estuvo.
3 Choices (era, estaba, fue, estuvo) sea.

also is 1 Estuvo and 2 is estaba?
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Number 8 should be cast in the subjunctive because there is some doubt how long (or if) the documents will be verified.

It's OK to say estaba for #1. It's also OK to use estuve, but that wasn't a choice. I wanted to point out that either is correct. Which tense you'll use depends on whether the speaker is still worried. For #2, we're not talking about a characteristic of the daughter (in which case era would be used). However, we could be talking about a condition that had an end (estuvo), or one that hasn't ended yet (estaba). The choice is yours, but you may have to defend your answer.
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Hoy martes estoy en el aeropuerto y tengo que pasar la aduana. El aduana me dice que PONGA la maleta encima del mostrador. También quiere que le DIGA hacia donde me dirijo. Me impaciento y le pido que HAGA los trámites cuanto antes para que mi vuelo no SALGA sin mí. Él me contesta que no cree que VALGA la pena ponerme así. Todavía no han empezado a embarcar. A lo mejor no lo SABE él, pero no hay nada que PUEDA yo hacer POR ahora. Tendré que esperar mientras él VERIFICA los documentos.

I corrected your text of the best way, I could to do now.
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Crotalito is correct about number 6. The subjunctive is not used with a lo mejor. Sorry about that! It's interesting that, even though a lo mejor can be translated idiomatically as perhaps, it is not treated the same way as quizás and tal vez, which do take the subjunctive.

Crotalito and I disagree on number 8. You can choose either one, really. It depends on the speaker's perception. If the perception is that the documents will be verified, use the indicative. I opted for the opposite because I've been in that situation before. The speaker was impatient and the subjunctive mood 'takes over' (at least it did when I was reading your narrative).
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I didn't understand you, How is the correction number 8.
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[quote=BlueOcean;24140]Hoy martes estoy en el aeropuerto y tengo que pasar la aduana. El aduana me dice que ___(1)___(PONER) la maleta encima del mostrador. También quiere que le ___(2)___(DECIR) hacia donde me dirijo. Me impaciento y le pido que ___(3)___(HACER) los trámites cuanto antes para que mi vuelo no ___(4)___(SALIR) sin mí. Él me contesta que no cree que ___(5)___(VALER) la pena ponerme así. Todavía no han empezado a embarcar. A lo mejor no lo ___(6)___(SABER) él, pero no hay nada que ___(7)___(PODER) yo hacer ahora. Tendré que esperar mientras él ___(8)___(VERIFICAR) los documentos.

Can someone help me translate?

Today Tuesday I am in the airport and I have to pass thru customs. Customs is telling me that I put the suitcase on top of the check-in desk. ALso he wants that I tell him to where I am heading to. I am impatient and I request to him that he cut thru the red tape as soon as possible so that my flight doesn't leave without me. He answers me that he doesn't believe that it is worthwhile to become like that. Perhaps, he doesn't know it, but there is nothing that I can do now. I will have to wait while he verifies the documents.
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Today Tuesday I am in the airport and I have to pass thru customs. The customs agent tells me to put my suitcase on top of the counter. He also wants me to tell him where I'm headed. I'm getting impatient and I ask him to go through the procedure as soon as possible so that my flight doesn't leave without me. He answers that he doesn't think I should act that way. They haven't started loading yet. Perhaps he doesn't know it, but there is nothing I can do now. I will have to wait while he verifies the documents.
My suggestions above are closer to colloquial English. We don't normally use some of the structures you did because the subjunctive mood (and the usage of a secondary clause) has mostly disappeared in English.
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I like to translate spanish as literally as I can even if it sounds funny in english. Probably a bad habit and I'm not sure it helps me any. Can you provide some example sentences using valer la pena wth other infinitives?
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vale la pena = it's worth it
vale la pena leerlo = it's worth reading (it)
vale la pena visitarlo = it's worth visiting (it)

no vale la pena ponerse así (no es para ponerse así)
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It's not that big of a deal.
= It's not something you should get all worked up about.
= It's not something you should worry about.
= There's no reason to get uptight about it.
= It's not worth getting hot under the collar, etc., etc.
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