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Old December 05, 2009, 01:16 AM
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This is all very helpful - I have continued to have difficulty with "hay", as many of you have pointed out to me.

There is one statement you used here as an example that I don't understand. Will someone please explain to me the statement that I quoted above....? THANKS!
Future perfect tense:

He will have left ...

(Irma, no estoy seguro como acabar la traducción. ¿Significa que habrá salido ya de la oficina (o lo que sea)? No recuerdo haber visto jamás "salir de" + infinitivo).
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Old December 05, 2009, 05:47 AM
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"Salir de trabajar" significa "salir del trabajo".

¿A qué hora sales de trabajar? = ¿A qué hora sales del trabajo?
¿A qué hora vas a trabajar? = ¿A qué hora vas al trabajo?

In Spain is more common to say "de/a trabajar".
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Old December 05, 2009, 07:06 AM
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Future perfect tense:

He will have left ...

(Irma, no estoy seguro como acabar la traducción. ¿Significa que habrá salido ya de la oficina (o lo que sea)? No recuerdo haber visto jamás "salir de" + infinitivo).
will have left the office already...

will have come out of work already...

Is it correct?
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Old December 05, 2009, 08:09 AM
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will have left the office already...

will have come out of work already...

Is it correct?
I understood the future perfect expresses probability, so it could mean

He must have left the office already.
He must have finished work already.
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I'm with Perikles here. "Habrá salido ya de trabajar" suggests an assumption, unless the context says the contrary.
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So, something like "We want to catch the 6:30 movie. Habrá salido ya de trabajar. Therefore, we should make it on time." ???

So in this case, the "habrá" is part of the participle (paired with salido) and not necessarily part of the "hay" usage?
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So, something like "We want to catch the 6:30 movie. Habrá salido ya de trabajar. Therefore, we should make it on time." ???

So in this case, the "habrá" is part of the participle (paired with salido) and not necessarily part of the "hay" usage?
It is just a straighforward use of haber for a future perfect. I don't see what it has to do with hay, although Irmamar said it was, and I wouldn't dare to disagree.
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It is just a straighforward use of haber for a future perfect. I don't see what it has to do with hay, although Irmamar said it was, and I wouldn't dare to disagree.
Of course you must disagree

I was writing about possibilities the verb "haber" has . One of them is as auxiliar. The question that the future perfect is used to make a supposition is another topic . Anyway, it all depends on the contexts, because I could say:

Habrá salido ya de trabajar cuando llegues a casa.

In this case, it's not a supposition.

"Hay" is related to the verb "haber" because it's a form of this verb conjugated. I wanted to make a distinction of the use of this verb, that's all
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I understood the future perfect expresses probability, so it could mean

He must have left the office already. Debe haber salido de la oficina ya.
He must have finished work already. Debe haber terminado el trabajo ya.
Yes?
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Old December 06, 2009, 11:00 AM
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Yes?
Debe de haber salido... (probabilidad)
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