A long list of words

[irmamar]

I must study a long list of words (almost 3000). I'd like to know if there is a good method to study them. I'm a bit desperate. I'm trying with mnemotecnics, but there are so many!

[chileno]

Originally Posted by irmamar

I must study a long list of words (almost 3000). I'd like to know if there is a good method to study them. I'm a bit desperate. I'm trying with mnemonics, but there are so many!

Write the list, and re-write it.

[irmamar]

Originally Posted by chileno

Write the list, and re-write it.

3000 words with their meanings and their definitions?!

I'll become mad, I'm sure.

[Perikles]

Originally Posted by irmamar

3000 words with their meanings and their definitions?!

I'll become mad, I'm sure.

I'll go mad (but I bet you won't)

I know - I'll test you on your words by PM, and you pay me 10 euros for each one you get wrong. There is nothing like incentive to learn quickly.

[bobjenkins]

Originally Posted by irmamar

I must study a long list of words (almost 3000). I'd like to know if there is a good method to study them. I'm a bit desperate. I'm trying with mnemotecnics, but there are so many!

Irma ¿cuál tipo de palabras son?

La sugerencia de bob es que debes escribir una oración completa por cada palabra. Incluye la palabra en la oración, y trata de definar la palabra en la oración

lista de palabras
1) Mechanic
2) Organism
3) Polygon

y ejemplos con las definaciones en azul

1) The mechanics worked on the cars all night, using their knowledge of the machines to fix them.

(Mechanics are people with knowledge of machines)

2) There are many interesting organisms in the deep sea, and they all live in harmony.

(Organisms are things that are alive or living)

3) I once had a math test about polygons, I had trouble naming the polygons with many sides like tetrahedron.

(a polygon is an object classified by the number of sides that it has)


¿Ves cómo escribí las palabras en una oración y incluí una definición básica también? , así puedo practicar los significados de las palabras y el lugar adecuado en la oración . Es difícil para aprender por escribir solamente la definición , se debe poner la palabra en una oración y definirlo al tiempo mismo


3000 palabras es mucho, ¿Cuánto tiempo tienes para aprenderlas?

Espero que te sirva

[irmamar]

Originally Posted by Perikles

I'll go mad (but I bet you won't)

Don't be so sure.

I know - I'll test you on your words by PM, and you pay me 10 euros for each one you get wrong. There is nothing like incentive to learn quickly.

I prefer Bob's solution . It's free

Pero tú no eres tonto, no.

Originally Posted by bobjenkins

Irma ¿cuál tipo de palabras son?

La sugerencia de bob es que debes escribir una oración completa por cada palabra. Incluye la palabra en la oración, y trata de definar la palabra en la oración

lista de palabras
1) Mechanic
2) Organism
3) Polygon

y ejemplos con las definaciones en azul

1) The mechanics worked on the cars all night, using their knowledge of the machines to fix them.

(Mechanics are people with knowledge of machines)

2) There are many interesting organisms in the deep sea, and they all live in harmony.

(Organisms are things that are alive or living)

3) I once had a math test about polygons, I had trouble naming the polygons with many sides like tetrahedron.

(a polygon is an object classified by the number of sides that it has)


¿Ves cómo escribí las palabras en una oración y incluí una definición básica también? , así puedo practicar los significados de las palabras y el lugar adecuado en la oración . Es difícil para aprender por escribir solamente la definición , se debe poner la palabra en una oración y definirlo al tiempo mismo


3000 palabras es mucho, ¿Cuánto tiempo tienes para aprenderlas?

Espero que te sirva

Todo tipo de palabras: adjetivos, verbos (con sus phrasal, ¡cómo no!), sustantivos, etc.

Tengo hasta mayo. Tendría que saberme ya la mitad, pero todavía no he aprendido ni eso.

This is a good method, Bob.

[Perikles]

I have written a little computer program in MS Access - I create a table of words and translations, and the program will ask me random words. If I get them right, the words disappear from the list. If I get them wrong, they come up twice later, and if I get them wrong again, four times, then eight. This works for me, but this doesn't really help.

[chileno]

Originally Posted by Perikles

I have written a little computer program in MS Access - I create a table of words and translations, and the program will ask me random words. If I get them right, the words disappear from the list. If I get them wrong, they come up twice later, and if I get them wrong again, four times, then eight. This works for me, but this doesn't really help.

It will help you if you make it for you to write the word and its def.

[Perikles]

Originally Posted by chileno

It will help you if you make it for you to write the word and its def.

Too much typing, but yes, that would be better if the word is completely new.

[chileno]

Originally Posted by Perikles

Too much typing, but yes, that would be better if the word is completely new.

Exactly.

Besides, it should be new, else why the exercise?

[Perikles]

Originally Posted by chileno

Besides, it should be new, else why the exercise?

Because I have to see a word at least 10 times before I remember it.

[bobjenkins]

Originally Posted by Perikles

Because I have to see a word at least 10 times before I remember it.

Yo creo que si las escribes en papel la mente puede recordar y detener (retain) ellas mejor.

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If writing the word in a sentence while defining it at the same time on paper with pencil the mind has 3 references to associate the word to.

1. the hand movements of actually writing the word, will help with remembing how to spell the words (one doesn´t achieve this by typing it)

2. The use of the word and it´s placement in the sentence. You will be able to recall the word in the sentence and be able to better remember it´s placement / use

3. The basic definition that you have weaved into the sentence wil of course aid in the rememberance of the meaning of the word

Anyway I don´t know anything about nuerological pathways associated with learning and retaining vocabulary but this is what I´ve found out from trying different methods

As everyoneknows the fourth and best reference that the brain can have to recall a word is attaching some sort of personal experience / situation to it, that´s why it´s so effective to be emerged in a language. You can practice definitions and sentences all day but the truth is that if you use a word wrong and someone laughs, you´re going to use that word correctly from now on because you´re going to think about that situation everytime you use the word .

Espero que os lo haya explicado bien y te resulte en mucho aprendizaje

[irmamar]

I like the idea of the database. And writing... I never write, I always type!

But maybe you're right, Bob.

[chileno]

Originally Posted by bobjenkins

Yo creo que si las escribes en papel la mente puede recordar y retener (retain) ellas mejor.

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If writing the word in a sentence while defining it at the same time on paper with pencil the mind has 3 references to associate the word to.

1. the hand movements of actually writing the word, will help with remembing how to spell the words (one doesn´t achieve this by typing it)

I call it wrist memory.

2. The use of the word and it´s placement in the sentence. You will be able to recall the word in the sentence and be able to better remember it´s placement / use

3. The basic definition that you have weaved into the sentence wil of course aid in the rememberance of the meaning of the word

Anyway I don´t know anything about nuerological pathways associated with learning and retaining vocabulary but this is what I´ve found out from trying different methods

As everyoneknows the fourth and best reference that the brain can have to recall a word is attaching some sort of personal experience / situation to it, that´s why it´s so effective to be emerged in a language. You can practice definitions and sentences all day but the truth is that if you use a word wrong and someone laughs, you´re going to use that word correctly from now on because you´re going to think about that situation everytime you use the word .

Espero que os lo haya explicado bien y te resulte en mucho aprendizaje

Seeing (reading) and the wrist (writing) go together in this.

[irmamar]

Originally Posted by chileno

Seeing (reading) and the wrist (writing) go together in this.

Then, do you agree with Bob? Don't you think that it's the same typing?

[bobjenkins]

Me has causado a recordar un dicho

Muscle memory

Muscle Memory Applied to Writing
So what does that have to do with writing? Same thing. Writers practice, practice, practice. They get faster. They improve in word usage. They make their words flow better. They bump up word count to where thousands of words won’t faze them. Christina Katz points out the importance of repetition to develop muscle memory.
We use many of the same words in our writing, sometimes forgetting wonderful words that could turn a sentence into a lyrical one. So encourage yourself to review a handful of words every week by coming up with a weekly goal that won’t overwhelm you to the point that you paralyze yourself and stop trying.
But should we write until our eyes and fingers blister or sleep calls? Iain Broome says no. I agree with his statement: “Whichever side of the fence you sit, I think it’s really important to stop and question even the most common pieces of writing advice from time to time.”
Besides, if you write without purpose — you’re not likely to put out valuable content or truly exercise your muscle memory. It’s akin to leaning on your stair climber — you won’t benefit from the exercise when you do that.

Un poco interesante

[irmamar]

Un poco no, muy interesante.

[bobjenkins]

Originally Posted by irmamar

Un poco no, muy interesante.

aquí puedes leerlo

http://www.meryl.net/2009/10/20/how-...fects-writing/

[irmamar]

Originally Posted by bobjenkins

aquí puedes leerlo

http://www.meryl.net/2009/10/20/how-...fects-writing/

Thanks.

That reminds me the words a psychologist told us once in a course I did: to get an habit you must repeat something consciously 30 or 35 times.

[chileno]

Originally Posted by irmamar

Then, do you agree with Bob? Don't you think that it's the same typing?

Of course, I've been saying this all along.

Originally Posted by irmamar

Thanks.

That reminds me the words a psychologist told us once in a course I did: to get an habit you must repeat something consciously 30 or 35 times.

Well, how about doctors advising to chew 30 to 40 times... to get your body to digest well the food, not only to chew well the food but adjust the gastric juices etc...