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Old February 26, 2007, 06:18 AM
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which is preferable/acceptable

hi,

which is preferable:

voy a comprarlo para ti
or
voy a comprartelo


lo compro para ti
or
te lo compro

what i'm trying to gauge here is how acceptable is it to say these statements in an almost 'english' way using the word 'para' for our 'for' instead of using indirect object pronouns, so it has the word order as the english 'i'm going to buy it for you' or 'i buy it for you'. I realise that the IDOP 'te' translates in to 'to you/for you', but can you get away without it?

otra vez, gracias por ayudarme,
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Old February 27, 2007, 08:03 PM
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Is there a specific context you're using the sentence in? All four sentences seem to make sense and adhere to grammatical rules. Using "para" instead of the pronouns just feels wordy to me, but it still makes sense. Why does it have to imitate english syntax?
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Old February 27, 2007, 11:53 PM
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The most normal/best sounding versions to my ears are:

te lo voy a comprar.
te lo compro.

Pero también estoy de acuerdo con lo que dice Felipe.
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Old February 28, 2007, 01:55 AM
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For me it's also context-specific.

I have a girlfriend. She sees a necklace in a jewelery glass and stops there for ten minutes like spiderman in a wall. I can say
"voy a comprarlo para ti" (I will buy it for you)
You say you will go and buy it for her.
Romantic, with the "para" you emphasises wich is your reason (your girlfriend)
It's like saying "I will buy it fooooor youuuuuuu"
or
"voy a comprartelo" (I will buy it for you)
You say the same, but more direct, and less romantic
or
"te lo compro" (I will buy it for you)
impulsive, total direct, not at last romantic
it's like saying "i'llbuyit" and stepping inside the shop.

other complete different example
I have a friend with a valuable comic. I'm interested. I can say
"si quieres venderlo, te lo compro" (If you buy it, I will buy it from you)
¿Its from you???? I'm not quite sure
It's the same "te lo compro", but the meaning it's different.
So be more precisse, Felipe and Tomisimo are waiting to give you a proper definition of grammar terms

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PD:What's IDOP??
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Old February 28, 2007, 08:23 PM
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PD:What's IDOP??
Indirect Object Pronoun
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sosia's right, "te lo compro" can mean "I'll buy it for you" or "I'll buy if from you", depending on the context. I also like the distinction made:

I'll buy it for ya / I'll buy ya it = te lo compro / te lo voy a comprar
I'll buy it (pause) for you (emphasis) = lo voy a comprar para tí

bonus material:

I'm going to buy it just for you. = Te lo voy a comprar sólo para tí.
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Indirect Object Pronoun
Pensé que quizá sea el International Department of Pancakes.
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Thanks Felipe
Tomisimo, I had a laugh with your "bonus material" Thanks :-)
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Jaja... aborrezco ese restaurante. No concinan sus panqueques bien.
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Jaja... aborrezco ese restaurante. No concinan sus panqueques bien.
Pero bien que comes ahí cuando ningún otro está abierto. j/k
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