Compound prepositional objects

[chileno]

Originally Posted by Perikles

I can't cope with this. It's bad enough trying to learn Spanish as spoken in Spain.....

I know! That's exactly what I thought when I heard Australian people talking...

[ookami]

The "voseo" isn't to difficult actually, you just use "vos" instead of "tú", and you change the verb like this:

Tú sabes - Vos sabés
Tú comes - Vos comés
Tú entiendes - Vos entendés
Tú piensas - Vos pensás
Tú cantas - Vos cantás
Tú corres - Vos corrés
Tú amas - Vos amás
etc.
I think that's all. The accent goes to the last syllabe and, if the accent in "tú" is in a diphthong(not always), well, then the verb changes, but is very predictable how it changes as you can see in the examples. (I'm saying all this thinking of it in the moment and without have studied this never before, so if you search for a formal tutorial, sure it's a lot simplier and better explained, excuse me)

In Argentina almost all chats, even formal ones, are with "voseo". (and if it's too formal, "usted", but "tú" is rarely used, and here it's sounds very awkward in a normal situtation)

[Rusty]

I used voseo all the time in Central America. In addition to the present indicative tense, el voseo that I learned also had a present subjunctive form and an imperative form, both of which differ from the ones used for tú. We didn't use different past or conditional tense forms - these were the same as used for tú. Same with the future tense.

@lou ann: Don't worry about learning el voseo until there's a need.

[bobjenkins]

Originally Posted by chileno

I know! That's exactly what I thought when I heard Australian people talking...

Vi una película llamada "funny people" y Eric Bana que es australiano y me es difícil entenderle

[laepelba]

Okay, since I last had a chance to write, I have had a chance to do a little reading on voseo, and I'm not as scared of it as I originally was. I think that it merely startled me that I had missed something so significant.

First of all, thank you to Ooooooooookami for remembering that I love all things Uruguayan! I hope that you think of me when you travel there in the near future ... think of me while you're drinking mate and while you're eating asado. There is a chance that I may be able to travel there again this summer ... it's a slight chance, but I'll take every opportunity I can to spend time in Uruguay! I love it there!! I'll certainly be asking my Uruguayan friends to help me with vos!

I found a good article on Wikipedia (the English site) that gives a comprehensive overview of voseo - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voseo - I'm only about halfway done reading it, but I find it very interesting. I love the etymologies and explanations that it gives.

I also spoke with a Honduran student this afternoon about her use of vos. She had plenty to say about exactly who she would use it with, and exactly what situations it would be appropriate for. Very interesting!

So, given my love of Uruguay and my desire to travel to Argentina someday, I will put voseo on my list of Spanish things to master ... immediately next to the subjunctive (Bob - I ordered that book!) ... because it seems to be an important point.

Thanks to you all for the comments on it. When I have questions on the topic I will post to a new thread. I honestly thought that this would be a very short thread! LOL!!

Cheers!!

[AngelicaDeAlquezar]

@Lou Ann: "vos" is "tú" in Argentina, Uruguay and other countries, but it has its own conjugation, which has nothing to do with "vosotros" or the archaic "vos".

Of course ookami, now that he's back, can help you more with practice.

[chileno]

Originally Posted by AngelicaDeAlquezar

@Lou Ann: "vos" is "tú" in Argentina, Uruguay and other countries, but it has its own conjugation, which has nothing to do with "vosotros" or the archaic "vos".

Of course ookami, now that he's back, can help you more with practice.

¿Vos creés?

[AngelicaDeAlquezar]

Y... vos podés ashudar igual.

[pjt33]

Originally Posted by AngelicaDeAlquezar

Y... vos podés ashudar igual.

[chileno]

[laepelba]

Originally Posted by AngelicaDeAlquezar

Y... vos podés ashudar igual.

[chileno]

Originally Posted by AngelicaDeAlquezar

Y... vos podés ashudar igual.

Originally Posted by laepelba

Ah, sha veo que entendés bien.

[laepelba]

Originally Posted by chileno

¿Vos creés?

Originally Posted by AngelicaDeAlquezar

Y... vos podés ashudar igual.

Originally Posted by laepelba

Originally Posted by chileno

Ah, sha veo que entendés bien.

Creo que entiendo...... Porque en Uruguay, no se dice "ayudar" pero "a-zhoo-dahr". Y uds. usaban el voseo.... ¿Sí?

[chileno]

Originally Posted by laepelba

Creo que entiendo...... Porque en Uruguay, no se dice "ayudar" pero "a-zhoo-dahr". Y uds. usaban el voseo.... ¿Sí?

Sí y no.

De ocuparlo suena vó y no vos, and it is very low register.

Vó mé entendí (bad, bad, bad)

[AngelicaDeAlquezar]

Originally Posted by laepelba

Creo que entiendo...... Porque en Uruguay, no se dice "ayudar" pero sino "a-zhoo-dahr". Y uds. usaban el voseo.... ¿Sí?

Sí.

Nice work, Lou Ann!

[chileno]

Originally Posted by AngelicaDeAlquezar

Sí.

Nice work, Lou Ann!

¿Nosotro' lo' chileno' lo ocupamos o ustedes los Mexicanos?

[AngelicaDeAlquezar]

Nosotro' lo' del foro, que pusimo' ejemplo' del vo' argentino.

[chileno]

Originally Posted by AngelicaDeAlquezar

Nosotro' lo' del foro, que pusimo' ejemplo' del vo' argentino.

Sha veo!

[laepelba]

Originally Posted by AngelicaDeAlquezar

Sí.

Nice work, Lou Ann!

Woo hoo! I love when I start to understand humor in Spanish.

Originally Posted by chileno

Sha veo!