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English Grammar Pet Peeves - Page 2


Rusty February 03, 2012 10:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Thomas (Post 121690)
You hang up your clothes, but your mother used to tell you hang them up.

I turn on the light, but I turn it on.

Uh, there's nothing wrong with these sentences that contain phrasal verbs. Here are the rules for phrasal verbs that 1) are transitive, and 2) the particle can be separated from the verb:

The object can either go after the phrasal verb:
Hang up your clothes.
I turn on the light.
Or it can be placed in between the verb and the particle:
Hang your clothes up.
I turn the light on.

However, when an object pronoun is used, it can only be placed in between:
Hang them up.
I turn it on.

:)

caliber1 February 03, 2012 11:15 PM

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Originally Posted by wrholt (Post 121689)
That's what we all think....until we travel to someplace else and make a comment to a local resident about how quaint his or her accent is.

Yep. My mother grew up in Minnesota and she, in my opinion, doesn't have that Minnesotan/Dakota accent. Interestingly enough I am sometimes told I pronounce things like I'm from there and I have never been. For instance, "Sorry". Most pronounce it like "SAWrry". I pronounce it like "SOHrry" with the long "o" sound. So yes, though quaint, a slight accent is noticeable.

Perikles February 04, 2012 01:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Perikles (Post 121671)
but I don't have any regional accent. .

Quote:

Originally Posted by wrholt (Post 121689)
That's what we all think....until we travel to someplace else and make a comment to a local resident about how quaint his or her accent is.

I'm surprised this comment has raised more than one eyebrow. It is not my assessment, just what everybody says - nobody has ever correctly identified which part of England I come from.

AngelicaDeAlquezar February 04, 2012 07:31 AM

I absolutely love this thread! I think I don't make any of the mistakes in the list, but the comments on try to / try and, and on the phrasal verbs have solved many of my daily writing problems. :dancingman:

Thank you all! :rose:

wrholt February 04, 2012 08:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Perikles (Post 121694)
I'm surprised this comment has raised more than one eyebrow. It is not my assessment, just what everybody says - nobody has ever correctly identified which part of England I come from.

Notice, though, that I'm from the US: from my perspective, EVERYONE from the UK has a "regional accent".

aleCcowaN February 04, 2012 09:00 AM

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Originally Posted by AngelicaDeAlquezar (Post 121699)
I absolutely love this thread! I think I don't make any of the mistakes in the list, but the comments on try to / try and, and on the phrasal verbs have solved many of my daily writing problems. :dancingman:

Thank you all! :rose:

Me too :thinking: ... So do I. But I keep mixing up loose and lose (in fact, I've never done any effort to learn their pronunciation and avoid mixing them up :()

Perikles February 04, 2012 10:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wrholt (Post 121702)
Notice, though, that I'm from the US: from my perspective, EVERYONE from the UK has a "regional accent".

Yes. I don't quite get the concept of how English can have an English accent, but I hear what you say. :)

Quote:

Originally Posted by aleCcowaN (Post 121703)
Me too :thinking: ... So do I. But I keep mixing up loose and lose (in fact, I've never done made any effort to learn their pronunciation and avoid mixing them up :()


Jessica February 04, 2012 07:40 PM

I see too many people my age mix up it's/its (misuse of apostrophes too), you're/your and their/there/they're.

Sancho Panther February 05, 2012 07:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wrholt (Post 121689)
That's what we all think....until we travel to someplace else and make a comment to a local resident about how quaint his or her accent is.


Whilst it's not actually wrong, nobody in Britain would ever say "Someplace", it's always "Somewhere"!

laepelba February 05, 2012 10:49 AM

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Originally Posted by wrholt (Post 121702)
Notice, though, that I'm from the US: from my perspective, EVERYONE from the UK has a "regional accent".

This, from someone from "BAH-ston"....???

chileno February 05, 2012 12:03 PM

:):D:D

GuapaErika February 13, 2012 01:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by aleCcowaN (Post 121703)
Me too :thinking: ... So do I. But I keep mixing up loose and lose (in fact, I've never done any effort to learn their pronunciation and avoid mixing them up :()

In my mind, "loose" is a 'shorter' pronunciation than "lose". Loose sounds like the Spanish word 'luz' and is an adjective. It rhymes with the word 'goose'.

The laces on my shoes are loose. I have a loose tooth.

Lose has a longer 'Spanish u' sound and more of a 'z' ending than an 's'. It's more like 'looooze' and it is a verb. It rhymes with the word 'news'.
I don't like to lose the game. I didn't lose my homework.

If your belt is loose, you will lose your pants.

wrholt February 13, 2012 03:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GuapaErika (Post 121930)
In my mind, "loose" is a 'shorter' pronunciation than "lose". Loose sounds like the Spanish word 'luz' and is an adjective and a verb. It rhymes with the word 'goose'.
....

As a verb, "to loose" means "to set free; untie, unfasten" or "relax (one's grip)". It is less used today than in the past.

GuapaErika February 13, 2012 03:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wrholt (Post 121940)
As a verb, "to loose" means "to set free; untie, unfasten" or "relax (one's grip)". It is less used today than in the past.

Yes, I suppose you're right! It is used more in a command form, such as "Loosen your grip."

Cloudgazer February 24, 2012 01:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Perikles (Post 121664)
Who considers these as homonymns? I for one certainly differentiate between "You're" and "your". As for "their" and "there", these are true homonyms, but I pronounce "they're" differently. Perhaps another BrE/AmE thing?

*Sigh* . . . a kindred spirit! I also pronounce "they're" differently than "their" and "there", the last two being homonyms for me, too.

Glen February 25, 2012 07:31 PM

Not a personal peeve of mine, but I recall hearing reaction years ago to the "techno-speak" we take for granted now. Someone once said he wished all those people who use the word input when they mean contribution would just upshut. Again, it does not bother me although I do prefer reply or opinion to the rather revolting-sounding term feedback.

Glen September 22, 2012 07:35 PM

I always thought the relative pronoun who is used for people, while that is used for objects or ideas. They seem to get confused, but only in one direction:

He is the guy that I saw.
I met some people that know him.

Maybe it's because of wanting to avoid uncertainty about whether to use who or whom, but it sounds strange to me.

Reminds me of a phone call:
- Hi, is this ...............?
- To whom do you wish to speak?
- Aw, reckon I got the wrong number. Nobody that I know says "whom."

Perikles September 23, 2012 12:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Glen (Post 128719)
Reminds me of a phone call:
- Hi, is this ...............?
- To whom do you wish to speak?
- Aw, reckon I got the wrong number. Nobody that I know says "whom."

:lol::lol::lol: I try to avoid people who don't say 'whom'.

JPablo September 25, 2012 12:13 PM

So maybe you avoid Bo Diddley (Rolling Stones), as he wrote "Who Do You Love?" of whom the Grammar Girl says was "grammatically incorrect" in writing so...

I checked the entry in Random House, (under "who") and the entry for "whom" in Oxford shorter... (very interesting)

"Whom Do You Love?" probably more grammatical and "correct" but per Random, the usage of "Who" at the beginning of a sentence is widespread and "more natural".

1. Whom do I trust?
2. In whom do I trust?
3. Who do I trust?

I tend to think, I trust the guys who ask questions 1 and 2, more than 3... but 3 at this stage of the game doesn't seem to be that "incorrect" nowadays...

Perikles September 25, 2012 01:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JPablo (Post 128820)
"Whom Do You Love?" probably more grammatical and "correct" but per Random, the usage of "Who" at the beginning of a sentence is widespread and "more natural"....

Or more ignorant. The loss of 'whom' is directly attributable to lack of knowledge of grammar. No doubt the dumming down of language will result in everybody just grunting. Then somebody might hit on the idea of communication and invent another language, starting a new cycle. :D


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