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Between Spanish and English which language is more sofisticado o superior? - Page 2


Emberblaque February 23, 2013 03:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Premium (Post 133306)
The conjugation is a pain, though.

The only language I've seriously studied with declension of nouns is Latin, but from what I understand, German has four declensions. Any particular reason conjugation seems more difficult to you than declension? Both seem like complicated sides of the same coin to me (the proverbial coin of inflection, if you will), as a native English speaker, since we indicate case with word order, and indicate person and number with pronouns, so there are considerably less conjugations to remember. Please excuse me if this seems like a tangential question, I've just always wanted to ask a native speaker of German.

Premium February 23, 2013 05:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Emberblaque (Post 133398)
The only language I've seriously studied with declension of nouns is Latin, but from what I understand, German has four declensions. Any particular reason conjugation seems more difficult to you than declension? Both seem like complicated sides of the same coin to me (the proverbial coin of inflection, if you will), as a native English speaker, since we indicate case with word order, and indicate person and number with pronouns, so there are considerably less conjugations to remember. Please excuse me if this seems like a tangential question, I've just always wanted to ask a native speaker of German.

I studied Latin for four years, and it's still important to me as i'm a medical student.
This is right, the German language has 4 cases; nominative, accusative, dative, and genitive. It also contains three grammatical genders which is just systemless. There's no rule when to use "der, die o. das". If you want to learn German, you have to learn the gender to each noun.
I also speak Serbian, which has 7 cases. The Finnish language has 15 cases.
I wouldn't say conjugation is harder than declension. We didn't even learn the cases in school properly, only in elementary school for like 2 weeks. Most immigrants struggle with the definite and indefinite genders. You get used to the cases after a while.

English was the first foreign language i learned, the conjugation was more than easy. Many native-German-speakers complain, that the English language has too many tenses, which is true compared to German.
Many people would say that Russian would be difficult. I didn't study Russian, but i could follow a conversation as it's very similar to Serbian.

wayfarer February 23, 2013 11:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Premium (Post 133306)
I totally agree with the phonetic, but i think French is harder than English.

You are right. I have done some researches and have found out that French, also, hasn't an exact correspondence between letters and sounds as the other romance languages. I think it also has a bigger number of sounds than Italian and Spanish.

Villa February 25, 2013 01:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Premium (Post 133400)
I studied Latin for four years, and it's still important to me as i'm a medical student.
This is right, the German language has 4 cases; nominative, accusative, dative, and genitive. It also contains three grammatical genders which is just systemless. There's no rule when to use "der, die o. das". If you want to learn German, you have to learn the gender to each noun.
I also speak Serbian, which has 7 cases. The Finnish language has 15 cases.
I wouldn't say conjugation is harder than declension. We didn't even learn the cases in school properly, only in elementary school for like 2 weeks. Most immigrants struggle with the definite and indefinite genders. You get used to the cases after a while.

English was the first foreign language i learned, the conjugation was more than easy. Many native-German-speakers complain, that the English language has too many tenses, which is true compared to German.
Many people would say that Russian would be difficult. I didn't study Russian, but i could follow a conversation as it's very similar to Serbian.

Id imperfectum manet dum confectum erit

JPablo February 25, 2013 10:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Villa (Post 133491)
Id imperfectum manet dum confectum erit

:thinking:
A bit "non-sequitur"... isn't it?
('Until it is finished, it remains incomplete'.)

But so are the pirates in the Asterix and Obelix "scriptures"!

Vanitas vanitatum et omnia vanitas... :rolleyes:

Sarita08 March 14, 2013 07:40 PM

No existe un idioma superior. Esa es una ilusión de nacionalistas y racistas.

Villa March 27, 2013 11:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Sarita08 (Post 134570)
No existe un idioma superior. Esa es una ilusión de nacionalistas y racistas.

Muy interesante y verdadero. Estoy de acuerdo contigo Sarita.

Es interesante observar que si hablas con muchos de los estadounidenses/americanos te dirán que el inglés es el idioma superior. Por lo tanto los estadounidenses/americanos comproban tu teoría.
En otras palabras, como la mayoría de nosotros sabemos los estadounidenses/americanos tienen la fama de ser etnocéntrica y no les gusta aprender lenguas extranjeras. Todo porque piensan que el inglés es un idioma superior. Y como tu dices Sarita no existe un idioma superior. Esa es una ilusión de nacionalistas y racistas.

ElPecas June 07, 2013 04:13 AM

Para mí, los dos idiomas son diferentes, no hay que compararlos o es decir ordenarlos. Alguien preferiría uno, pero no es decir que ese es el idioma superior. Son diferentes, pero completos y buenos en sí mismos. Sin embargo, el vocabulario inglés tiene la mayoría palabras, lo que teóricamente le hace poder expresarse mejor...pero nadie necesita el completo diccionario.






Por favor, no vaciles corregirme si hay errores con mi español.

Liquinn3 June 08, 2013 01:09 PM

La mayoría de las palabras sofisticadas en inglés o palabras en inglés de un nivel más alto provienen del Latin. Por lo tanto, ya que el español es un lenguaje basado en latin es un lenguaje más sofisticado que el inglés. Así que el español es el idioma superior al ingles.

Most sophisticated English words or English words on a higher level come from Latin. Therefore since Spanish is a Latin based language it is a more sophisticated language than English is. Therefore Spanish is the superior language between English and Spanish.

Perikles June 08, 2013 01:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Liquinn3 (Post 139066)
Most sophisticated English words or English words on a higher level come from Latin. Therefore since Spanish is a Latin based language it is a more sophisticated language than English is. Therefore Spanish is the superior language between English and Spanish.

This is a good example of the logical fallacy known as a non-sequitur. Most sophisticated English words or English words on a higher level come from Latin. That does not mean that Latin is per se a more sophisticated language, just that the sophisticated concepts were introduced by literate people who knew some Latin. (By the way, that is in a period when literate meant a working knowledge of Greek and Latin. Semi-literate meant only Latin.)

Spanish is a language based on Vulgar Latin, not Classical Latin. Therefore English with its imported classical Latin and Greek is far superior to Spanish based on a primitive Latin.

That argument is better than yours, although both are complete nonsense. :)

Villa June 08, 2013 02:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Perikles (Post 139069)
This is a good example of the logical fallacy known as a non-sequitur. Most sophisticated English words or English words on a higher level come from Latin. That does not mean that Latin is per se a more sophisticated language, just that the sophisticated concepts were introduced by literate people who knew some Latin. (By the way, that is in a period when literate meant a working knowledge of Greek and Latin. Semi-literate meant only Latin.)

Spanish is a language based on Vulgar Latin, not Classical Latin. Therefore English with its imported classical Latin and Greek is far superior to Spanish based on a primitive Latin.

That argument is better than yours, although both are complete nonsense. :)

Podemos estudiar la lengua latina y mejorar nuestra vocabualary in inglés. O podemos estudiar el español y obtener los mismos resultados y además aprender un idioma hablado por 500 millones de personas en 21 países diferentes.


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