Modismos Chocarreros. - Page 2

Originally Posted by sosia (Post 12861)

Hello
It's not easy for a spaniard to find the proper words while trying to explain a thing. Like Elaina says, we use entonations and movements to speak, and emoticons are a little simple.

A fast reading of Alfonso's text makes a classit/racist text, but a normal reading (difficult in intenet times) is so simple as:

In Spanish we don't have diferent registers for different classes. We have perhspas some different words (slang, or cultivate) but it's very rare to hear something "so different" (like Ebonics for an american or the mentionen substandards, for example) that make us make a disgusting face. Hearing a bad sentence make us thing he doesn't know enough spanish, but never "he has another cultural level" There are racism here, but I will never speak to a gipsy with special words, entonation or modism. The language is the same. And that makes posible to speak with Mexican or Argentinian people directly (after adjusting our ears :D)

While trying to explain, Alfonso must change to spanish, where he is able to choose the perfect word/verb who explains his point of view. It cost me time to write in english, so my responses are usually not very long. But so I help others and learn myself. But it will never be a native level (I'm lazy :D) so don't try to translate my writing to "that" level. We are not so good to express us with the perfect english word/verb.

Saludos :D
PD: I was scared that this thread would go "katastroph" but at the end was a nice one.

Originally Posted by poli (Post 12843)

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This does seem a bit harsh in English. If you don't see why this sounds harsh, please inform me. This can be written in a gentler manner

Originally Posted by poli (Post 12834)

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Creo que en EEUU hay poca gente que se burla de los desconocidos directamente, si hablan con un registro muy bajo o si son extranjeros. Es una situación (?) muy desagradable, pero existe. Por ejemplo hay situaciones que pueden pasar en una taberna entre gente que toma damasiadas cervezas. Ademas hay algunos comediantes que usan esa situación. Los EE UU es un pais que sigue ser un pais de imigrantes. Los americanos están acostumbrados a oir acentos extraños, pero somos capaces de burlarnos del modo de hablar de nuestros mismos paisanos y de los extranjeros, pero raramente en frente de ellos mismos.

Originally Posted by CrOtALiTo (Post 12761)

Porque, las personas que dicen tener cultura o la que he conocido, cuando hablan de modismos hacen gestos de desprecio o mas bien gestos de que es la persona de bajo nivel por usarlos.

Originally Posted by Elaina (Post 12845)

Sometimes people speak in such a way that others don't understand them or misinterpret what they are saying based on the tone of their voice. In written form, if I was to write a post and enter (!<>?:"^&*()_) you or anyone would think I am swearing or using words that are not very appropriate.

So Alfonso, I apologize for also thinking that you are sometimes too harsh with your responses. You don't use or haven't used any (swear words or anything like that) but I pick up on the rigidity of your responses.

I guess that's why I imagine you with a smoking jacket, an ascot, a pipe, rigidly talking to other intellectuals in a library. :love:

Elaina:cool:

Originally Posted by CrOtALiTo (Post 12846)

Spanish.

Quiero comentarte que no pienso entrar en polemica con este tema, pero creo que en todos lados hay gente con escasos recursos humanos, y queda comentar que existe la produncia acerca de como tu y yo y ellos podemos tratar a la gente por su clase social, sea pobre, rico, de clase media, al menos yo trato a todos igual por donde quieras verlo, la diferencia que nos divide hasta ahora es la clase habitual o tipo de vida que tenemos, creo que los modismos son y seran respetados por las personas que realmente saben que al ocuparlos te identificas con tu nacionalidad y personalidad, no creo que por usar un modismo sea pecado o sea naco como actualmente es llamado, hay gente que es impertinente al pensar que si usa modismos se rebaja a la misma o baja altura de quien lo menciona, se respetar las diversidades de las clases te respeto a ti respeto a todos en este foro, bien si decimos modismos es bueno porque nos identificamos con nuestra cultura, eso no quiere decir que si sabemos modimos no tuvimos la suficiente educacion de jovenes no claro que no, significa tu personalidad, tu manera simple, complicada, coloquial de hablar con otra persona, esto me hace pensar en la diversidad de culturas y pensamientos que tenemos entre paises, la gente a pesar de todas las culturas creo que en algo concordamos que no por ser el probre y el rico no podemos hablar con gente de otras culturas, algo que si doy enfasi, y es que en el tema de la migracion, los mexicanos por tonteria por falta de regidez en nuestro pais tenemos diversidades de construmbres muy tipicas de nuestro pais que en otros lados lo que es nuestra habla nuestra constumbres son criticadas, claro ejemplo los chinos, entonces si existe el racismo aun en pleno siglo 21, y creo que siempre existira porque nunca encontraras a alguien que este de acuerdo en todo, en como te vistas, como hables, como mires, como te expreses, siempre hay un martillo trantando de claverte el doloroso clavo para decirte oye no seas NACO.

I hope, I've you answered your question.

Originally Posted by sosia (Post 12861)

Hello
It's not easy for a spaniard to find the proper words while trying to explain a thing. Like Elaina says, we use entonations and movements to speak, and emoticons are a little simple.

A fast reading of Alfonso's text makes a classit/racist text, but a normal reading (difficult in intenet times) is so simple as:

In Spanish we don't have diferent registers for different classes. We have perhspas some different words (slang, or cultivate) but it's very rare to hear something "so different" (like Ebonics for an american or the mentionen substandards, for example) that make us make a disgusting face. Hearing a bad sentence make us thing he doesn't know enough spanish, but never "he has another cultural level" There are racism here, but I will never speak to a gipsy with special words, entonation or modism. The language is the same. And that makes posible to speak with Mexican or Argentinian people directly (after adjusting our ears :D)

While trying to explain, Alfonso must change to spanish, where he is able to choose the perfect word/verb who explains his point of view. It cost me time to write in english, so my responses are usually not very long. But so I help others and learn myself. But it will never be a native level (I'm lazy :D) so don't try to translate my writing to "that" level. We are not so good to express us with the perfect english word/verb.

Saludos :D
PD: I was scared that this thread would go "katastroph" but at the end was a nice one.

Originally Posted by Alfonso (Post 12896)

Thanks a lot, Sosia, for explaining what I said and, especially, for reading attentively what I wrote.
I'm almost completely agreed with you (see below). I know we both know Spanish culture well, so it's easy to agree when describing the facts. Of course, in Spain there exists clasism, racism (and, in my opinion, this is increasing) and a lot of problems. But it's really bizarre to think that a person could laugh or make mockery at of another person´s/ other people´s (other person's) way of talking, in front of or behind his face. We all speak in a different way... I said sub-standard Spanish doesn't exist, but I should add that standard Spanish doesn't exist either.

I think when you say A fast reading of Alfonso's text makes a classit/racist text, but a normal reading (difficult in intenet times) is so simple as... you're pointing exactly to the main question... Don't allow stereotypes influence your comprehension of the world. Where is racism in my text? Only in some reader's mind. That's why I said it's not my fault. Reading is an intellectual effort... Don't give up trying to understand!

On the other hand, here is my little disagreement: why did you think this thread would go catastrophic? I know this is a complex and a conflictive question but, has all the threads got to be white threads where to say how funny and nice we are? Don't be afraid to disagree!

You are right, I should change to Spanish when I want to make myself clear... :rolleyes:

Originally Posted by Jane (Post 12900)

Your English is very clear and understandable.
But, please, what do you man by white thread...?:rolleyes:

Originally Posted by Alfonso (Post 12901)

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It's funny that you wrote what do you man by...? Can you say I man this, I man that? :rolleyes:
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Originally Posted by sosia (Post 12903)

It has nothing to do with the racist think, it was because I didn't like the poll (encuesta)
Te consideras culto?
Si soy muy culto, y preciso, no digo modismos.
Soy regular, soy estudiado y se usar mis modismos.

I thought it was too white or too black, so I didn't answer. There are lots of people (for example old farm people, whith no studies) who has a narrower variety of knowledge, but they use this narrow knowledge perfectly. They make no faults, or incorrect expresions. They do not use cultivate words, but their words express what they want.

I consider myself "culto", but I can use modismos, slang or whatever word I found it's the right there. I try to use the proper words in the proper moment. It's not the same talking to young people or with old people. An extreme example is Japanese.

saludos :D

Originally Posted by Alfonso (Post 12891)

This is harsh!
Es mucho más fácil encontrar dureza en las opiniones ajenas, especialmente cuando estamos en desacuerdo, que en las propias.

But I will not get offended at all because of it.

Thanks a lot for your corrections.

Originally Posted by poli (Post 12917)

No estaba especialmente en desacuerdo contigo en lo que escribiste. Lo que quería decir es que el modo en que lo comunicaste sonó un poquito ofensivo en inglés, y si no era tu intención sonar crudo, te puedo mostrar cómo se puede decir la misma cosa en un modo más gentil.