Students Kicked Off Campus for Wearing American Flag Tees - Page 2

I'm living among nationalisms and I can tell you that it's not a good thing (although I don't defend globalization, of course), and I don't like any kind of nationalism (the only point that I accept is the "due obedience" to the country where I'm living in, follow the laws and the costumes, that's all), and History has shown us that an excess in nationalism is not a good thing. It is said that the point of greatest virtue lies in the middle (en el punto medio está la virtud). Wearing external signs of nationalism is a way of showing an excess of it, a way of imposing your viewpoint over that of others (I know that it's not by force, but you wear those signals to let the others know, and you can even disturb or irritate them).

I think I can say or write what I think, because words explain better one's thoughts than a T-shirt, or even I can wear a T-shirt with a wolf or a tree, since I love nature and my feelings don't hurt anybody. But I will never wear one with the colours of a flag, since the street is not a place to express my feelings or my opinions about something. Furthermore (and without pretending hurt the other's feelings), I think that a T-shirt red and yellow is bad-taste (una horterada, en mi país). ;)

No, tampoco en los juegos olímpicos y esas cosas, porque como no me gustan los deportes, no es algo que me interese demasiado. ;)

Creo que los colegios están para enseñar, no para educar, para eso están los padres; los colegios deberían impedir muchos signos externos. Como decimos aquí; no hay que mezclar el tocino con la velocidad. :)

:applause:De acuerdo ruego que lea lo escribí en el post antes de la tuya.

Bueno, lo he editado porque nos hemos cruzado (ambas veces) :)

Well maybe you're right:)

Don't worry for my comment.

:applause::applause::applause: Totalmente de acuerdo (how can I say this on a natural way in English?)
About that last point, that's why I prefer schools with uniforms or "guardapolvos", you have to see how they are dress(and makeup, etc) around here at schools that are "free" on their uniform and stetic manners... if you guess that those kids are going to learn and not to... or..., I'll start bealiving in magic.

"Todos los educadores son absolutamente dogmáticos y autoritarios. No puede existir la educación libre, porque si dejáis a un niño libre no le educaréis." Chesterton

I wouldn't want to go to a school where you have to wear an uniform. no way

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Those kids were pushng the limits of school rules and have to pay the
consequences.

Irmamar - thank you for explaining yourself. Your views make sense to me ... although I am not so absolute as you, because I don't mind wearing red, white & blue when I'm in the US ... I would NEVER wear those colors or even some small symbol of the US flag when I travel abroad.

Jessica - you didn't answer my question about extra knowledge of the situation than what has been reported in the news?

There has been lots of research done on the effectiveness of uniforms in public schools here in the US. I have to say that, for my school, it might be a good thing for several reasons. First of all, many of our students don't know how to dress in a way that is appropriate (meaning there are students who ALWAYS dress in sexually provocative ways). We also have some problems at my school with students who wear gang symbols. In this kind of neighborhood, a uniform might serve a purpose to keep students in appropriate clothes (non-distracting) and that don't incite potentially violent situations (like these flag shirts may have done...). In schools where there is a great dichotomy between wealthy and poor students, a uniform might also serve to level the playing field, so to speak, so that there isn't so much competition about who can spend the most on a pair of shoes or designer clothes, etc.

A school uniform can be as simple as "a white collared shirt and long khaki pants".....

Thanks poli

Yes laepelba, well explained, that was what I mean. Or at least maybe a "guardapolvo" (overall in English I think) could work. The makeup thing is another huge point, I have seen some girls that seemed to be ready to go to a party, well, not going to far, my sister spends 30 minutes all mornings to dress and make up before going to school (and she wear uniform)

Jessica, why you wouldn't want to go to a scholl with uniform? if you don't explain your opinions its almost as if you haven't posted.

Es más estupidez que orgullo en este caso. El Cinco de Mayo es una buena razón para salir a tomar unas copas nada más.En EE UU es una fiesta más o menos elaborado por distilerias.
Es orgullo nacional que prohibe llevar banderas americanas en las escuelas. De hecho para muchos llevar la bandera como ropa muestra desrepeto para un símbolo del pais.

why would I want to wear the same clothes as every one else? I would want to wear unique clothes from other people, not the same :yuck:

A uniform requiement can be a reaction against students abusing their freedom. I wouldn't like this type of dress code either, but I understand the logic of why some people think it's a good idea. For instance, it's easier for poorer families whose children feel the need to conform to others by demanding expensive sneakers that their peers wear. A uniform requirement may discourage gangs forming in schools. A lot of kids form clics by wearing similar clothing, and often these clics categorize students in a negative way.

Although I think individual expression outweighs the need for uniforms, I certainly understand the argument in favor of uniforms.

yes I understand the benefits but personally I would not want an uniform requirement

I don't like uniforms either, they are so ugly! If they were more modern clothes, I wouldn't mind. Here there are hardly schools with uniform, most of them don't use it. But I'll never understand why girls must use skirts. It's very cold in winter here, and you can see little girls with that cold skird, while boys can wear long trousers. Uniform should be something modern, not that horrible thing :eek: :yuck::

http://mai3rubia.files.wordpress.com...2/uniform1.jpg

agreed

I mean, there are tomboys that wear boyish clothes and they would hate to wear something like a skirt

I don't know if I am tomboy :thinking: , but I always wear trousers, maybe I think I wore enough skirts, horrible skirts from a uniform, until I was fourteen. That was a liberation the day I throw that hideous garment away :D

Many of the public schools around here that use uniforms only require certain kinds/colors of clothes - for example, they might specify a white collared shirt and long khaki pants and non-sneaker shoes. For girls and boys. And teachers. It's not supposed to be "fun" or "enjoyable". It IS supposed to level the playing field.......

That's right. It uniforms the economic situation. It also helps on the discipline side of it. You have to obey rules.

This discussion started because an order was not obeyed. Had it been obeyed and then opposed by discussion etc. it would have been more civilized.

The idea that people is free, it is something to ponder.

What order being disobeyed are you talking about? The admin asking the boys to remove the bandanas and reverse the tee shirts? Or was there a directive given prior to that day?

I still say that there is so much more to this story than any of us knows.....

Correct. That order could've been argued later by the parents.